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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:34 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:34 am to NYNolaguy1
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It may be just me, but I fail to see how the current state of things benefits Russia. Every day they are losing personnel, materiel, and it's costing a fortune.
Every day this seems to stretch Russia a little more.
Putin really put his foot into the honey bucket this time. He got away with it in Georgia, Chechnya, and Crimea, but now all he has done is make NATO more powerful, bigger and alert to his dreams of empire while wrecking his own economy and destroying his own military.
Putin is now nothing more than a dangerously arrogant fool who has a wolf by the ears.
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:38 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Eh, it kinda is. I don’t think most realize how close the US was to an outright invasion of Cuba back in ‘62.
The US reaction was to Russian missiles in Cuba and nukes.
NATO or the west have not put nukes in Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic States, or any of the old Warsaw Pact nations.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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It’s likely to happen in my opinion. The Ukrainian counteroffensive has been a failure so far and I don’t see it going much further this year.
They have failed to take back much land but they have kept Russia on the defensive making this Winter and 2024 key to what eventually happens.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:43 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Ukrainian counteroffensive has been a failure so far and I don’t see it going much further this year.
Hyperbole...
Hasn't gone as well has Ukraine had hoped... Sure
Failure so far its not..
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:48 am to klrstix
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Hyperbole... Hasn't gone as well has Ukraine had hoped... Sure Failure so far its not..
Bro they’ve advanced like 5 miles over 3 months in one tiny spot of the line. It’s a failure. And it’s cost them tens of thousands of troops and western made equipment.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:59 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Bro they’ve advanced like 5 miles over 3 months in one tiny spot of the line. It’s a failure. And it’s cost them tens of thousands of troops and western made equipment.
Don't blame him, he has not received his talking points update from MSNBC yet.
The one thing this conflict has confirmed for me is just how easily manipulated by the media most American's are, they just line up and parrot the position fed to them and attack any info to the contrary.
Putin is wrong for his handling of this but to pretend he was not backed into a corner is willful ignorance, and to pretend we would react differently is simply delusional.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:09 am to klrstix
The destruction of key pieces of the Black Sea fleet is not insignificant.
With more bridge attacks and bridge closures, Crimea is becoming more isolated and untenable as a primary base for the fleet.
The third Russian defensive line in the south is not as robust as the first or second.
With more bridge attacks and bridge closures, Crimea is becoming more isolated and untenable as a primary base for the fleet.
The third Russian defensive line in the south is not as robust as the first or second.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:12 am to WhereisAtlanta
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Putin is wrong for his handling of this but to pretend he was not backed into a corner is willful ignorance
Lmfao. That’s like saying we backed Japan into a corner because we interfered with their expansionist ambitions in the pacific. Wait, you probably actually believe that.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:14 am to WhereisAtlanta
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Putin is wrong for his handling of this but to pretend he was not backed into a corner is willful ignorance, and to pretend we would react differently is simply delusional
Backed into a corner? No.
He thought he saw weakness in the West as he did in 2014 so he decided to ratchet things way up and go for the prize. He miscalculated.
Thus is similar to Hitler invading Poland. France and Great Britain had caved so many times, he thought they would again. They surprised him by declaring war.
Biden and the West surprised Putin when they saw Ukraine defending themselves.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:16 am to REG861
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expansionist ambitions
Honest question. Was it Russia that had expansionist ambitions or the United States?
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Between 1999 and 2020, the organization admitted 14 additional members from Central and Eastern Europe that sought military security and political stability after the end of the Cold War.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:18 am to Hateradedrink
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That’s just because the west is using bio-psychological manipulation with vaccines to influence their decisions
Thats a new kooky one...thanks Q
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:19 am to FreddieMac
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Was it Russia that had expansionist ambitions or the United States?
Which one keeps invading sovereign nations?
But you're right. USA bad. Putin good.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:20 am to AGGIES
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The destruction of key pieces of the Black Sea fleet is not insignificant.
It hurts Russia strategically but the destruction of a submarine and landing ship are going to have zero affect on the Ukrainian ground offensive. It makes for a good headline which is why I suspect Ukraine wasted some valuable missiles on it. They were big static targets just sitting there for the taking. Ukraine needed some good news to distract us from the lack of progress on the ground.
The destruction of the S-400 in Crimea is much more significant. Although Russia will probably replace it in a week’s time.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:21 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I’m gonna need you to go rogue. I’m activating Black Velvet Protocol.
Get the job done…
Get the job done…
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:26 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I can’t agree that it was a waste. A lot of the attacks against Ukrainian cities are launched from ships or aircraft operating over the Black Sea.
Control of the Black Sea is an important strategic objective for a war that is looking like it will last a lot longer. The attacks on Russian air and naval bases are very valuable attacks.
Control of the Black Sea is an important strategic objective for a war that is looking like it will last a lot longer. The attacks on Russian air and naval bases are very valuable attacks.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:28 am to GeauxxxTigers23
True the S-400 is more strategic right now.
The overall message is that Russia basing its fleet in Crimea may not be sustainable.
If these strikes continue and impact Russia enough to move away from Sebastopol, then it will be more meaningful.
We’ll see if that happens.
The overall message is that Russia basing its fleet in Crimea may not be sustainable.
If these strikes continue and impact Russia enough to move away from Sebastopol, then it will be more meaningful.
We’ll see if that happens.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:28 am to FreddieMac
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Between 1999 and 2020, the organization admitted 14 additional members from Central and Eastern Europe that sought military security and political stability after the end of the Cold War.
Huh, I wonder why a bunch of former Soviet states were desperate to break free of the Russian sphere of influence?
Do you think anything happened between 1999 and 2020 that may have influenced countries to move towards NATO? Maybe something in Chechnya? Maybe Georgia? Maybe Ukraine?
... anything? Can you think of anything?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:31 am to BayouBlitz
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Which one keeps invading sovereign nations?
But you're right. USA bad. Putin good.
This is simplistic thinking and simply a coping mechanism to dismiss a legitimate question.
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Which one keeps invading sovereign nations?
But have we asked ourselves why the invaded?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:35 am to FreddieMac
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But have we asked ourselves why the invaded?
Great question. The easy answer is: Beacuse Ukraine has fertile soil, warm water ports, and unexplored Nat Gas directly adjacent to and along an existing pipeline to Western Europe.
But Russia couldn't say that, now could they? So they rambled about Nazis and Russian speaking people and the threat of Nato invading them. But they never really gave a coherent answer.
Maybe you can shed some light on it?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:35 am to RuLSU
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Huh, I wonder why a bunch of former Soviet states were desperate to break free of the Russian sphere of influence?
Do you think anything happened between 1999 and 2020 that may have influenced countries to move towards NATO? Maybe something in Chechnya? Maybe Georgia? Maybe Ukraine?
I am not disagreeing with the history of Putin; nor am I saying he is good. But this current foreign policy under Bush,Obama,Biden, is failing. The reality is that Russia sees expansion of Nato as a threat to their sovereignty. Regardless if the expansion is legitimate, they view it as a danger to their country. So, my question is why are we continue to antagonize a nuclear power like Russia?
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