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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:11 am to
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:11 am to
Probably true if that includes natural mortality. They have 12 million men between 15 and 59 (this is what I saw data for). Assuming 8-10 million military aged males and an average of 2% natural mortality for the group, that would be 160k to 200k per year. Add in dead from indiscriminate bombing of Ukrainian cities and casualties at the front, and the number becomes very likely.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 8:46 am to
That’s a great point and would put the amount dead for UA as a result of the war around 100kish which is what I figured based off absolutely nothing
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 8:50 am to
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absolutely nothing


LINK
Posted by Pendulum
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 8:54 am to
2% natural mortality seems quite high for military aged men. I would think its more like .2%.
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:06 am to
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Russia doesn’t want to start a war with Poland, which is very capable and highly motivated.


After the Nazi Soviet pact carved up Poland and then Poland was subjugated to Moscow's USSR, they are indeed highly motivated.

Poland was looking to acquire 500 HIMARS.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:09 pm to
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After the Nazi Soviet pact carved up Poland and then Poland was subjugated to Moscow's USSR, they are indeed highly motivated.


Same for Ukraine after Stalin killed 3.9 million of them by starvation in the Holodomor. "Gee, why doesn't Ukraine want to be part of Russia?".
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 5:59 pm to
General Staff: Russian counter-attacks at Staromaiorske and around Bakhmut fail

August 3, 2023 12:47 AM

Russian forces made unsuccessful attempts to regain lost positions west of Staromaiorske on Aug. 2, according to the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces.

Ukraine liberated the village of Staromaiorske in Donetsk Oblast on July 27. The village is located near a group of settlements in the southeast of Ukraine that Ukraine liberated in early June at the beginning of its counteroffensive.

The General Staff reported that more than 10 settlements in Donetsk Oblast were hit by artillery fire over the past day.

The update noted that Russian forces were also unsuccessful in the Bakhmut direction, where the Russian military had been trying to restore positions lost to Ukrainian troops near Klishchiivka, Andriivka, and Kurdyumivka.

Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said on Aug. 1. that Russia is concentrating its forces along the eastern front line, namely in the Kupiansk, Lyman, and Svatove directions, trying to pull Ukrainian forces away from Bakhmut and stop their advance in that area.

On the southern front in Zaporizhzhia, the General Staff stated that Russian troops are also focusing on stopping the Ukrainian advance.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:22 pm to
Ukraine can't even get past the security zone in front of the Russian troops to engage the main Russian force. Lol
Once this is over, and Ukraine has no more bodies to sacrifice, America will look stupid and weak. Biden and his administration totally underestimated Russian forces.
Anyone thinking Ukraine has a chance is an idiot.

Idiots sucking up the narrative.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:27 pm to
Troll level 3/10…..
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:39 pm to
quote:

quote:
After the Nazi Soviet pact carved up Poland and then Poland was subjugated to Moscow's USSR, they are indeed highly motivated.


Same for Ukraine after Stalin killed 3.9 million of them by starvation in the Holodomor. "Gee, why doesn't Ukraine want to be part of Russia?".


He had "exiled" another few million prior to selling Ukraine's grain past the point of famine. Those exiles were never seen again.

That was within the living memories of Ukraine families. It won't be forgotten.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

Ukraine can't even get past the security zone in front of the Russian troops to engage the main Russian force. Lol
Once this is over, and Ukraine has no more bodies to sacrifice, America will look stupid and weak. Biden and his administration totally underestimated Russian forces.
Anyone thinking Ukraine has a chance is an idiot.

Idiots sucking up the narrative.

I am continually amazed at how upset some of you get over the fact that this thread is discussing an ongoing war. No one participating in this thread, including you, has any impact at all on what is happening geopolitically with Ukraine.

So why do you care what we choose to talk about? Who gives a shite if I follow and comment on a message board about a war, it makes zero difference in the real world. Grow up and stop telling me what I can and cannot talk about.

Two sides of the same coin.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 7:08 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:36 pm to
Almost took the troll bait but just gonna post the ISW Update instead

quote:

Key Takeaways:

A dispute among prominent voices in the Russian information space highlights the Kremlin’s sensitivity to Russian reporting about setbacks in Crimea in particular and possibly in Ukraine in general and has further exposed fault lines within the milblogger community.

This dispute, alongside the accompanying allegations, suggests that the issue of strikes against Crimea is a distinctly neuralgic point in the pro-war Russian information space.

The highest echelons of the Russian military command may have directed milbloggers to stay silent about problems that can be directly blamed on the Russian military command.

Russian forces conducted a drone strike on the night of August 1-2 that destroyed port infrastructure in Odesa Oblast including 40,000 tons of grain.

Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) Commander Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky announced the formation of up two new VDV regiments and the reestablishment of the 104th VDV Division by the end of 2023. Teplinsky’s announcement indicates that he maintains his position and the public support of the Russian MoD following rumors of his arrest, possibly as a result of his affiliations with the Wagner Group, in mid-July.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) officially provided weapons and vehicles to the Belgorod and Kursk Oblast Territorial Defense forces on August 2, reallocating conventional military assets as a part of the Kremlin’s efforts to steadily expand Russia’s internal security capabilities following the Wagner Group’s armed rebellion on June 24.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front and reportedly advanced near Bakhmut on August 2.

The highest echelons of the Russian military command may have directed milbloggers to stay silent about problems that can be directly blamed on the Russian military command.

Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations on at least three sectors of the front and reportedly advanced in the Bakhmut area.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, near Kreminna, around Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line and advanced in some areas.

Russian civilians are increasingly targeting military registration and enlistment centers across Russia as a result of what Russian sources claim are targeted scam calls.

Russian President Vladimir Putin pushed the Kremlin narrative of “Novorossiya” and announced Russian government initiatives to provide books to occupied territories of Ukraine on August 2.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

Biden and his administration totally underestimated Russian forces.


Yeah. The Russian and Wagner forces are unstoppable!!!

You idiot. Or troll. Either way.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:14 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 03 August 2023

Undergrowth regrowing across the battlefields of southern Ukraine is likely one factor contributing to the generally slow progress of combat in the area.

The predominately arable land in the combat zone has now been left fallow for 18 months, with the return of weeds and shrubs accelerating under the warm, damp summer conditions. The extra cover helps camouflage Russian defensive positions and makes defensive mine fields harder to clear.

Although undergrowth can also provide cover for small stealthy infantry assaults, the net effect has been to make it harder for either side to make advances.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:25 am to
For anyone trying to forecast how the Ukrainian offensive will progress, one of the big unknowns is when Ukraine will receive GLSDB.

The only official word came in June, when the Pentagon told Congress that they would arrive "no earlier than Autumn."

Obviously, that could mean that they might arrive next month, or they might not arrive until the end of November.

But GLSDB still have potential to have a significant impact. Take the recent targeting of the Syvash Railway Bridge by Storm Shadow. That bridge is in GLSDB range, meaning that Ukraine could easily keep it out of commission with much cheaper missiles than Storm Shadow. And the road bridge and associated pontoons could also be regularly targeted, greatly frustrating Russian logistics.

Tatarigami recently highlighted another important way that GLSDB could be making a big difference right now. Russia still has a big helicopter base in Berdyansk. The helicopters are spread out enough that a Storm Shadow might only take out one helicopter, and Storm Shadows are too precious for that. On the other hand, Berdyansk remains some 10 miles or so out of HIMARS range. So, for the time being, there's nothing that Ukraine can do about that helicopter base.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:08 am to
Some Ukrainian sources are now claiming that Russia has fully abandoned Klischiivka (SSW of Bakhmut).

If so, this would represent an important objective in Ukraine's goal of recapturing Bakhmut. The Ukrainian offensive is making good and consistent progress south of the city. On the other hand, there's been almost no movement for weeks on Bakhmut's northern flank, and Ukraine needs to figure out a way to restart progress there if they are going to recapture Bakhmut this fall.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:37 am to
If anyone is looking for a very, very long article detailing reasons that the Ukrainian offensive may succeed, some of the ISW people have just published such an article in Time Magazine.

I only skimmed it, as it's very long and I'm already familiar with their arguments.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:47 am to
quote:

Some Ukrainian sources are now claiming that Russia has fully abandoned Klischiivka (SSW of Bakhmut). If so, this would represent an important objective in Ukraine's goal of recapturing Bakhmut. The Ukrainian offensive is making good and consistent progress south of the city. On the other hand, there's been almost no movement for weeks on Bakhmut's northern flank, and Ukraine needs to figure out a way to restart progress there if they are going to recapture Bakhmut this fall.


Bakmut isn’t important, then it becomes important, no it’s not, yes it is...... The propaganda goes back and forth.

It reminds me of that bridge in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. The bridge the Rebs and Yanks were fighting over.

I think we need Clint Eastwood to ride in with Eli Wallach to blow it all up.

Honestly, I don’t believe Bakmut matters.
Posted by TBoy
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:37 am to
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Honestly, I don’t believe Bakmut matters.

From a tactical standpoint it apparently has little importance. However, for the Russians it represents the only “success” from their winter offensive, taken at a cost of hundreds or thousands of lives. If Ukraine takes it right back, it becomes a symbol of Russian weakness and failure. That may be its only value at this point.
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