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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/21/23 at 11:48 am to LSUPilot07
Posted on 7/21/23 at 11:48 am to LSUPilot07
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A Moscow court has ruled that Igor Girkin/Strelkov remain in pre-trial detention at least until 18 September.
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:17 pm to LSUPilot07
Airborne Infantry just got a huge justification for their existence. Land the Ukrainian equivalent to the 82nd or 101st behind enemy lines and have them cause havoc
Also: could cluster munitions and decoy drones work? Building a cheap robot with the magnetic signature of a tank seems feasible these days
Also: could cluster munitions and decoy drones work? Building a cheap robot with the magnetic signature of a tank seems feasible these days
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
He provided a good pulse on goings on from the Russian side. He will be missed as a source.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:22 pm to LSUPilot07
What Ukraine needs more than anything is air superiority. I can't envision a scenario where they could achieve that.
I really thought they could compensate for the lack of close air support by using drones. That has certainly helped them but it hasn't been as decisive as I expected.
I really thought they could compensate for the lack of close air support by using drones. That has certainly helped them but it hasn't been as decisive as I expected.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:36 pm to Chromdome35
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Putin: “Western part of Poland is gift of Stalin to the country, Poland forgot about it, we will remind them”
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??South Africa's Justice Ministry has requested an arrest warrant for Putin from the Director of Public Prosecutions (NDPP) Shamile Batohi, – News24.
"This comes more than two months after South Africa's Department of International Relations and Cooperation sent its justice colleagues the ICC warrant", – the newspaper writes.
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??russian media reported on the detention of Girkin's associate Pavel Gubarev.
The crowd chants "shame" to the police officers involved in the detention.
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:40 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Airborne Infantry just got a huge justification for their existence. Land the Ukrainian equivalent to the 82nd or 101st behind enemy lines and have them cause havoc
I’d be surprised if a single soldier made it to the drop zone alive in todays environment. Low level static line assaults should’ve gone by the wayside 50 years ago. Helicopter air assault in a contested environment is probably a no go as well. We saw how it worked out for the Russians in Kiev.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:09 pm to StormyMcMan
Poland's response to Putin
"Please try us"
"Please try us"
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Honestly, if this war has shown us anything, it’s that warfare on the current battlefield is almost completely pointless without massive superiority.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:20 pm to Hateradedrink
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Honestly, if this war has shown us anything, it’s that warfare on the current battlefield is almost completely pointless without massive superiority.
Unless sending wave upon wave of Chinese like in Korea, this has been known since WWII. Air superiority is how conventional armies win decisively
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:23 pm to CitizenK
Yeah but it’s at a different level now. Even air assets that are “superior” aren’t “superior enough”.
Russia, by all accounts, should be steamrolling a country that basically has no Air Force.
Russia, by all accounts, should be steamrolling a country that basically has no Air Force.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:34 pm to Tigeralum2008
Airborne infantry would get slaughtered and that’s the ones that even make it out of the aircraft. With all the SAMs covering the lines a transport aircraft which would have to fly relatively low and slow for guys to jump would be fish in a barrel. The ones that would make it to the ground would be lightly armed with no heavy weapons and no hope of Ukrainian units breaking through to them in time. It worked for the 101st on D-day because by the end of the first day we had established a beachhead and had armor landing on the beaches to support them. Totally different scenario in Ukraine.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:38 pm to Chromdome35
They will never have air superiority either. Even if they get 60 f-16s the best they would be able to do would be cause a stalemate in the air which would be a big victory for Ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:09 pm to LSUPilot07
Airborne infantry was basically a disaster in WWII as well.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The NY Times is taking a lot of heat online for this headline, since Girkin is a convicted war criminal, wanted in The Hague for shooting down a commercial airplane.
The criticism is legit, but headline writers write headlines quickly, and it's often that not a lot of thought goes into them.
The criticism is legit, but headline writers write headlines quickly, and it's often that not a lot of thought goes into them.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
What is there to criticize about the headline? It's not glorifying Girkin, just stating a relevant fact in a relatively objective tone.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Airborne infantry was basically a disaster in WWII as well.
The Germans got shot to pieces in Crete, and Arnhem was a shitshow. But they were successf in North Africa and Sicily. And even in Normandy despite the plan going to hell. Macarthur used airborne troops effectively in the Pacific, which almost no one knows about. But to employ them today you would need total air supremacy. And if you have that you probably don't need them anyway.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
If you only read the headline and then Google Girkin with no background of his past, I can see where the NYT could be seen as maybe glossing over his past to make him seem like some anti-Kremlin, pro-western voice inside Russia.
Which that couldn't be further from reality. But since they didn't bash him in their headline, they will be seen as "sympathetic" to him since they're focusing in his tension with the MoD and Kremlin lately.
Which that couldn't be further from reality. But since they didn't bash him in their headline, they will be seen as "sympathetic" to him since they're focusing in his tension with the MoD and Kremlin lately.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Airborne infantry was basically a disaster in WWII as well.
Airborne Infantry did very well in the Normandy invasion.
They took key positions and held them until the cavalry arrived.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:12 pm to doubleb
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Airborne Infantry did very in the Normandy invasion.
They took key positions and held them until the cavalry arrived.
This was due quantity of them, two divisions worth
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:27 pm to doubleb
It was actually a bit of a shitshow with them being dropped all over the countryside miles from their objectives. Units were all mixed together where they landed but they were well trained and there were a lot of them which helped tremendously. Also the Germans for the most part were focused on beaches come dawn when naval guns opened up and aircraft started their attacks.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 3:28 pm
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