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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:48 pm to
Great news!
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:58 pm to
quote:

Unconfirmed tweet about cluster munitions to be announced tomorrow by the U.S to send to Ukraine.


If this turns out to be true it is excellent. Not only is it a great tool for the Ukrainians which they need for this type of warfare but it will also either get rid of ours for the cost of shipment (saves us money) or their effectiveness makes us rethink leaving them out of our doctrine which is simple since we have not signed the Convention on Cluster Munitions.
Posted by I 10 one lane merge
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:31 pm to
Many thanks to those who continue to educate others on the status of the war. Very helpful to watch the real time information share.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:32 pm to
Great news!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:59 pm to
Germany just announced a plan to spend $100 billion to modernize its military. That's actually going to put it at the NATO target of 2% of GDP (for the first time in forever).

Oh, and where is that money going? Reuters:

German firm sees U.S. getting lion's share of 100 billion euro military fund

quote:

MUNICH, July 4 (Reuters) - Up to half of the 100 billion euro ($109 billion) special fund set up to modernize the German military will likely go to U.S. defence companies, a leading tank gear box maker said, accusing Berlin of lacking a strategy for its defence industry.

"I don't believe that much of the money will be left over for the German industry," Susanne Wiegand, chief executive of Renk Group, told reporters in Munich, adding the government in Berlin did not realise the strategic importance of the defence industry.


So, Germany will likely spend an additional $50 billion on American weapons. That's a LOT of jobs for American workers.
Posted by Metrybaw
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:38 pm to
Nixon predicted Russia:

1994 Interview
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:14 pm to
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So, Germany will likely spend an additional $50 billion on American weapons. That's a LOT of jobs for American workers.


Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:21 pm to
Yup and yet you get reeeeeee from some of our most wacko politicians
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:31 pm to
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Nixon predicted Russia:

So did Napoleon, Hitler, and most European leaders.

Hell, most of all, Churchill was deadset on immediately invading the Soviets following WW2 but no one in the west would listen...'cuz...let the good times roll.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:39 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted counteroffensive operations in five sectors of the front on July 5 and made gains in some areas.

Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted a series of missile strikes targeting Russian rear positions along the entire front overnight and during the day on July 5.

Ukrainian and Russian officials maintained their heightened rhetoric regarding the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on July 5 following significant claims of a possible attack against the plant overnight on July 4-5.[35] Russia likely continues setting informational conditions for a possible false flag attack against the ZNPP, but remains unlikely to cause a radiological incident at this time.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russia continues to procure Iranian-made Shahed drones and is setting conditions to manufacture these drones in Russia with Iran’s assistance.

The Kremlin continues to show concern over the risk of a potential armed rebellion in Russia after Wagner Group’s rebellion on June 24.

The Financial Times (FT) reported that Chinese President Xi Jinping personally warned Russian President Vladimir Putin against threatening to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine during his visit to Moscow in late March.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin dismissed Sergei Mikhailov from his position as General Director of TASS state newswire and replaced him with Andrey Kondrashov.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, and Russian and Ukrainian forces continued skirmishing around Kreminna.

Ukrainian forces conducted successful offensive operations in the Bakhmut area, and Russian milbloggers reported that Ukrainian forces liberated an important height near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut).

Russian and Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks in the western Donetsk Oblast-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces maintain positions in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russia’s hybrid cryptomobilization and contract service recruitment campaigns have failed to produce large numbers of recruits, contrary to Russian claims.

Russian officials are setting information conditions to postpone regional elections in occupied Ukraine likely out of concerns for successful Ukrainian counteroffensives.
Posted by Rambler
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:58 pm to
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Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin was spotted Tuesday arriving at an FSB office in St. Petersburg


Was he spotted leaving?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:03 pm to
Threadreader unroll of 25 Tweet thread by Mick Ryan on the speed of the counter-offensive.

The Threadreader
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:41 pm to
Good stuff
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:50 pm to
Gotta read that
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:55 pm to
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Hell, most of all, Churchill was deadset on immediately invading the Soviets following WW2 but no one in the west would listen...'cuz...let the good times roll.


This was on Churchill’s mind even during the war. One of the main reasons he wanted to invade Europe via the Balkans instead of Normandy was so the Western Allies could “shake hands with the Soviets as far East as possible.”
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:38 pm to
The thread is about to hit 3,000 pages and before anyone asks it is not the longest thread ever. Q was at least twice as long, AtPB was purportedly longer but I have never seen a page count posted. While those threads are both gone this is still not the longest thread still available. The active Bourbon thread on FB is over 3700 pages when you consider it has been restarted twice "immediately" and all the posts are still available.

So for all the curious and the trolls, this is not currently the longest thread in TD history.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30652 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:13 am to
Would the real Prigo please stand up.

The FSB leaked some disguised selfies found on a phone in their raid of his estate back in June.

Maybe its is the ball cap and glasses but top right looks like Michael Moore lost a lot of weight.




Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:20 am to
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Threadreader unroll of 25 Tweet thread by Mick Ryan on the speed of the counter-offensive.


Great thread, thanks for sharing.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:45 am to
About the pace of the offense, Ryan and Theiner are in agreement. From both threads -
quote:

... in the west, the only model we have for taking down an enemy operational system is the US in the 1991 Gulf War. A 42-day campaign using thousands of aircraft was needed.
quote:

During the 1991 Gulf War 1,700+ coalition combat aircraft needed 37 (!) days and 100,000+ sorties to attrition the Iraqi forces enough to trigger the ground campaign. And 288 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired at Iraqi targets.
However in Ukraine, due to the lack of this airpower,
quote:

... if you're Russia, all you have to do it to park your heavy equipment outside of GMLRS range and Ukraine can't hit it. It makes no sense to use a expensive Storm Shadow missile to hit i.e. a Russian T-90M tank...

Still Ukraine must attrition Russia's heavy equipment before it can begin Phase 2 of the offensive... and the only way to do it is to bait Russian forces into GMLRS and Excalibur range. And Ukraine is doing this right now by attacking the Russian lines with four of the ten brigades that have been readied for this Phase.




Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:26 am to
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About the pace of the offense, Ryan and Theiner are in agreement. From both threads -


Agreed both of them were on point in these assessments in my view.

Also having reviewed Theiner's posts and replies for the last month my comments on him being doom and gloom about the lack of progress were incorrect and I have updated my original reply to reflect this.

quote:

I recall him getting very doom and gloom after a week or so of the offensive that it wasn't going as well as he predicted which is when he started to really lash out at criticism. Will go back and see if I can dig up the exchanges I read when I have some time tomorrow. Edit2 - Having gone back over the last month or so of his thread, the comments regarding him being doom and gloom were in error so please disregard.




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