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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
I get that they don’t want to have old, undetonated ordnance lying in Ukrainian fields after the war where children could possibly get hurt or having some Ukrainian farmer roll over it with his tractor but they need shells however they can get them and as many as they can get. I would send them all regardless of age or failure rate and worry about the rest later. Those lands will still be Russian controlled unless they can break their defense lines and push them back. To do that they need all the firepower they can lay their hands on. We can’t give them the amount of regular artillery shells they really want to use, it’s just not possible to produce them at that rate right now. You have to augment from somewhere and one cluster has the potential to be more effective than a dozen normal HE shells.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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the ones that we are considering providing would not include older variants w/dud rates that are higher than 2.35%.”
Why not? Is the Ukraine just drowning in munitions to the point that they would turn these away?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:34 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Can someone explain why other countries aren't all in on contributing to fight the Russians?
Most of them don't have much to give. Some are giving under the radar in unpublicized quality and quantity.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
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“Russia’s trade with India is increasingly imbalanced. India’s exports to Russia haven’t caught up with booming imports, but there’s a limited appetite in Russia to save its current-account surplus in rupees. That said, there are no alternative oil importers of India’s caliber on the horizon for Russia, so exporters and banks will gradually accept settlement in rupees. This will allow Russia to keep its oil flowing, but will make hard currency more scarce, weaken the ruble and push inflation higher.”
Stories like this are why this entire event is endlessly fascinating to me. How a Russian trade surplus with India maintained entirely in rupees abroad plays out is so interesting.
Russia invading Ukraine on its surface doesn’t involve India, and yet it is shedding light on how India will go forward in the 21st century as a geopolitical giant with no master.
Or maybe Russia is just hoping no one will notice the difference between rupee and ruble and can pass these off.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:49 pm to LSUPilot07
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wedding details that I honestly couldn’t give a shite less about. I was hoping she would just do it all and tell me how much to pay and what day and time to be there. I feel so sorry for wedding planners. That has to be
Hah I tried that as well with similar results
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:51 pm to ned nederlander
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Or maybe Russia is just hoping no one will notice the difference between rupee and ruble and can pass these off.
Based on their military execution thus far I'll go with this.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:56 pm to jizzle6609
Read a couple days ago that this is temporary. They will meet in a month or so and hash out the new currency that bric's with use exclusively. Gold backed
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:30 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Congrats! My daughter just got married on Sunday.
Congrats to all the father’s of the bride in this thread. Still some time away but I have three daughters. Hopefully by then my long bet on the ruble recovery will have happened. If not it will be nothing but naan and samosas at the reception.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:52 pm to ticklechain
The negotiation of a new currency, even among BRICs could not come at a worse time for Russia. I suspect it will not happen for that reason.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:53 pm to ticklechain
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Read a couple days ago that this is temporary. They will meet in a month or so and hash out the new currency that bric's with use exclusively. Gold backed
The USA alone has more gold than all of BRICS combined but nutters gotta nut over something
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:18 pm to nitwit
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The negotiation of a new currency, even among BRICs could not come at a worse time for Russia. I suspect it will not happen for that reason.
Chinese state owned companies defaulted on over a trillion dollars over the last year. Their economy has serious issues, including power outages for manufacturing plants. This is a huge deal for continuous chemical processes making everything in production half baked worse than a stoner.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And, honestly, I think that cluster bombs are more important to Ukraine right now than ATACMS. Storm Shadow and the impending arrival of GLSDB mean that ATACMS is important, but not as critical as it would be otherwise.
Cluster bombs for 155mm guns, though, will give Ukraine immediate and substantial help in its current offensive, and it will also relieve worries about Ukraine running out of ammo anytime soon.
Exactly my thoughts, they have long range precision strike capability already and thus far it appears Russia has had only limited success in intercepting them. Giving them more variance in their quiver would be beneficial to keep Russian AD on their toes as well as spread out consumption too, but these are wants as opposed to needs right now.
Sustainment of shorter ranged artillery is a need given how Russia has dug in and Ukraine's lack of airpower. The plentifulness of cluster munitions meets this and their saturation ability is exactly the type of munition you want to breach static defence lines in forested areas.
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Pentagon Press Sec says US is considering providing cluster munitions but only those with a less than 2.35% dud rate. “We have multiple variants…in our stocks and the ones that we are considering providing would not include older variants w/dud rates that are higher than 2.35%.”
This seems sensible, you don't want unexploded ordinance causing friendly fire and civilian casualties. Would be interesting to see the numbers of each munitions stock levels versus dud rates.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:34 pm to LSUPilot07
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Thank you. And congratulations to your daughter as well. I’ll just be glad when it’s over honestly. Never knew how exhausting the process would be but she enjoys it so happy wife happy life, right? I’m amazed it took this long to give Ukraine clusters with how dirty Russia has fought this war. The gloves should have come off months ago. Better late than never I suppose. They will really help root out all Putin’s rats dug into their trenches.
Congratulations to you both and your families.
My wife fortunately wanted a low key ceremony outdoors so we avoided most of the fluff on our day and we've only been cursed with boys so dodged that particular bullet, though we increased our chances of an accidental grand kid down the line.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:10 pm to OutsideObserver
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A number of Current and Former-U.S. National Security and State Department Officials, with the Knowledge of the Biden Administration, have reportedly begun to meet over the last few months with Russians who are believed to have Contacts within the Kremlin about the possibly of creating a “Groundwork” for Negotiations to End the War in Ukraine; a Group of these Officials are claimed to have also held a “Secret Meeting” in New York with Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov sometime in April to discuss what it would take for the Russians to begin Negotiations.
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Ukrainian forces in the past days have captured key fortified positions of Russian forces just west of Klishchiivka.
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U.S. Officials have stated that the White House is in the Final Stages of preparing a Major Defense Package to Ukraine that is set to include Cluster Munitions, specifically the M483 and M862 155m-D.P.I.C.M which can be Fired from Artillery Batteries like the U.S-Provided M777 Howitzer.
These Shells are known for being Incredibly Inaccurate but make up for that with to their Large Spread of Explosives that can be used in an Anti-Armor and Anti-Personnel Capacity, but can still leave a lot of Unexploded Ordnance behind which is why they are Banned by 111 Countries around the World.
The primary reason that these Munitions are likely to be provided to Ukraine is the due to the U.S. Department of Defense being the process of Replacing the D.P.I.C.M.s with Weapons from the Alternate Warhead Program (AWP) which can be used in a similar capacity but won’t leave large amounts of Unexploded Ordnance that could Kill Civilians or Disposal Teams in the Future.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:18 pm to nitwit
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The negotiation of a new currency, even among BRICs could not come at a worse time for Russia. I suspect it will not happen for that reason.
I can't imagine another country wanting to be tied to the Ruble now. A couple of months ago I was in Uzbekistan and needed to exchange some US Dollars for the local currency. No problem, the exchange rate at the airport was great and there was less than a 1% difference between the buy and sell rate for dollars which is quite unusual. On the other hand there was a ridiculous spread between the buy and sell rate for the Ruble - more than 50%, maybe closer to 75% - it was a much larger spread for a currency than I've ever seen. Obviously there are a lot of people selling Rubles and few people buying them. The other BRICs are not going to want to be "fettered to a corpse".
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:37 pm to OutsideObserver
Politico reporter says that tomorrow's announcement will include more than 100k 155mm artillery shells.
This is going to change everything about the Ukrainian offensive.
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The number of rounds remains in flux, but almost certainly over 100,000 DPICMS, according to one person familiar.
This is going to change everything about the Ukrainian offensive.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
We need to get all that ammo to them this month
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:06 pm to CitizenK
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The USA alone has more gold than all of BRICS combined but nutters gotta nut over something
Yeah, it's funny that people forget that Fort Knox was a thing and the US used to be on the gold standard. I doubt the US just gave all that gold away over the years.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:58 pm to OutsideObserver
I appreciate it. I’m simple, I would have been just fine going to the courthouse but she has always dreamed of a big wedding I guess like most women so whatever makes her happy I’ll suck it up and put a smile on. Weddings are for the bride anyway, it’s her day not mine. She stuck with me through college then the military, moving, deployments, etc and now I’m gone a lot with work. I could never sit behind a desk for a living and my office has the greatest views in the world but I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t wear you down at times always being away from her sleeping in hotel beds instead of my own and it takes a toll on her as well. We are lucky though to both have great careers that provide a good life for us. The one thing I did have to put my foot down was the number of bridesmaids though. She wanted to have all her friends up there but I only wanted my true best friends there so we compromised at 5 a piece. If it were up to her she would have had a dozen.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:59 pm to LSUPilot07
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It’s all been agreed to and now they are just waiting on slow Joe to wake up from his nap, drink his Ovaltine and maybe do a key bump of some coke Hunter was nice enough to leave behind at the White House.
Truth.
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