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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:15 am to
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:15 am to
Currently conflicting reports regarding Klishchiivka. Sladokov is claiming that Russians are abandoning it, while Ukrainian sources are claiming this is not the case.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1676508467467526144

https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/8089

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Russian military correspondent Alexander Sladkov claims that Russian forces have left Klishchiivka.

"We left Klishchiivka. This is near Bakhmut. It is necessary to check, and if refuted, I will be glad. If it is true, that's bad and Bakhmut will be under fire control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I can’t say a bad word about our guys who moved away. According to my data, this is again a lack of shells. I'll be glad to be wrong. You won't be strong without strength. The weak don't win. The city of Bakhmut is under threat of assault. Can we keep it? Yes, who knows."


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Ukrainian soldier going by the nickname Bakhmut demon, known to be fighting in the area, refutes that the Russians have left Klishchiivka.

"They have not yet retreated, Sladkov is lying. But we created a critical situation for them. Hopefully their reserves don't make it."


Also footage of the ammunition dump hit yesterday in Makiivka has surfaced. Located in a unfinished and abandoned residential block it contained what looks to be a large amount of Grad ammunition, possibly used to supply the ones in Dontesk city that were taken about 2 weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1676512131125063680 - Video
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:34 am to
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I know some of us have had problems with Theiner's enthusiasm lately, however this thread helps explain and amplify this concept.

TLDR? As Ukraine has no viable air power to destroy the opposing defensive forces as was done at the beginning of the two Iraq campaigns, they are doing it the old fashioned way. Which takes far longer but is just as effective in the end.



It's not so much his enthusiasm, as that he likes to make claims that generally have little if any factual basis beyond his word. This makes him sound like he is coping or bullshiting, and when this gets called out he tends to react emotionally rather than providing evidence or data to back up his assertions.

I recall him getting very doom and gloom after a week or so of the offensive that it wasn't going as well as he predicted which is when he started to really lash out at criticism. Will go back and see if I can dig up the exchanges I read when I have some time tomorrow. Edit2 - Having gone back over the last month or so of his thread, the comments regarding him being doom and gloom were in error so please disregard.

With that said, this latest thread is one of his better recent efforts and he makes good rational points.

Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 4:25 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:51 am to
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Currently conflicting reports regarding Klishchiivka. Sladokov is claiming that Russians are abandoning it, while Ukrainian sources are claiming this is not the case.



Rybar just now: LINK

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Contrary to the information about a breakthrough by the AFU near Kleshcheevka, the village is still under the control of the Russian Armed Forces.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:57 am to
No comment necessary:

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:15 am to



This adds up to Ukrainian claims of an even 100 Russian artillery pieces destroyed in the last three days.

Every artillery piece destroyed helps the Ukrainians to advance faster.
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:22 am to
I’ve been busy getting caught up after being on vacation. What’s the deal with the ZNPP? Is Ukraine just fear mongering or is Russia getting ready to cause Chernobyl 2.0?
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:30 am to
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I’ve been busy getting caught up after being on vacation. What’s the deal with the ZNPP? Is Ukraine just fear mongering or is Russia getting ready to cause Chernobyl 2.0?

The Russians have been evacuating their people from around the nuke plant and Russian propagandists have been crowing that Russian soldiers can fight on when the plant blows up. Russia is in complete control of the plant (like the dam) and the Ukrainians say the Russians are setting charges around the reactors. The Russian milbloggers all apparently got the order at the exact same time to change their stories to claim that Ukraine is about to attack the plant.

Sounds like the Russians are preparing to blow it up and release radiation.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:35 am to
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Sounds like the Russians are preparing to blow it up and release radiation.



I personally don't think that they are planning to do so right now. They still comfortably hold the territory around the plant. Why would they consider blowing it before Ukraine pushes them out of that territory? I don't see them abandoning the area right now.
Posted by ticklechain
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:35 am to
I believe I've read somewhere along the way that the plant is in cold shutdown or something similar. Would this have any bearing on if the plant was bombed or sabotaged in any way?
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 7:57 am
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:39 am to
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This adds up to Ukrainian claims of an even 100 Russian artillery pieces destroyed in the last three days.



add in another 19 MRLS systems in the same 3 days period...

my question is what is the reason for the increase? Has Ukraine gotten better with drone spotting or do they now more counter battery systems from the West or both....

Ukraine has been prioritizing artillery/MLRS since march/april if you look at the reports.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:12 am to
More reports coming in this morning that Ukraine has taken Pryyutne:




If you want to get an understanding of why this matters, take a look at a topographic map of this sector of the front -- it's not flat there.





If Pryyutne is indeed under Ukrainian control, then they will likely take Staromaiorske very soon.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:13 am to
I do think that Theiner's piece linked earlier makes some sense and ties in to the targeting of artillery.

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Still Ukraine must attrition russia's heavy equipment before it can begin Phase 2 of the offensive... and the only way to do it is to bait russian forces into GMLRS and Excalibur range. And Ukraine is doing this right now by attacking the russian lines with four of the ten brigades that have been readied for this Phase
- Theiner


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This adds up to Ukrainian claims of an even 100 Russian artillery pieces destroyed in the last three days.


Perun noticed in his video of 10 days ago that Ukraine has been emphasizing taking out artillery for something like the last month.

Perun - from 22:06 to 24:20

Perun noticed from the Ukrainian reported data the effort to take out Russian artillery. He's on the same page as Theiner that Ukrainian offensives seem designed to force Russia to bring up the heavy artillery where it can be taken out by counter battery fire with the more precise artillery that has been supplied to Ukraine.

It seems like Ukraine learned early in the offensive that mass assaults are a bad idea because of Russian artillery and are proceeding to neutralize that first.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:20 am to
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But your description of sex reads like what some autistic dude would write.
His blog could be titled “The Autistic Tantric”.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:20 am to
I don't think that we have talked about this Financial Times article that tells us why Putin won't use a tactical nuke:

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Xi Jinping personally warned Vladimir Putin against using nuclear weapons in Ukraine, indicating Beijing harbours concerns about Russia’s war even as it offers tacit backing to Moscow, according to western and Chinese officials.

The face-to-face message was delivered during the Chinese president’s state visit to Moscow in March, the people added, one of Xi’s first trips outside China after years of isolation under his zero-Covid policy.

Since then, Chinese officials have privately taken credit for convincing the Russian president to back down from his veiled threats of using a nuclear weapon against Ukraine, the people said.


And there was also this:

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The US, UK, and France, Nato’s three nuclear powers, told the Kremlin they would strike its forces with conventional weapons if it used tactical nuclear arms. In the wake of the warnings, Putin abandoned his rhetoric and did not mention tactical nuclear weapons publicly for several months.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:40 am to
Russian accuracy is hitting a village.

U.S. accuracy (our latest) is which window in the house should we put the shell through.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:22 am to
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It seems like Ukraine learned early in the offensive that mass assaults are a bad idea because of Russian artillery and are proceeding to neutralize that first.


I’m assuming the Ukrainians are being advised by the brightest military minds in the west. Kudos for following their advice.

It seems like all those war planning simulators helped our understanding of what a modern war among peers would look like.

Russia didn’t seem to have that level of preparation
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:36 am to
There's been a lot of discussion and accusations from both sides about the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, and it's worth noting that a Chernobyl-style disaster is impossible. I've seen it discussed in bits and pieces, but here's a really good post that puts everything together to explain why the danger is low: LINK

Excerpts:

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The six reactors at ZNPP are not at all like the Chernobyl reactor and cannot, CAN NOT, have the same kind of accident. Chernobyl had a graphite moderator, and the building it was in was not the heavily reinforced concrete of the reactors at ZNPP. The ZNPP reactors have hard oxide fuel encased in metal, and are inside a stainless steel vessel. Chernobyl had no such vessel.
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The Post mentions the possibility of a Fukushima-type accident. The reactors at Fukushima operated right up until the earthquake. The ZNPP reactors have been mostly shut down for months. That means that the Fukushima reactors were much hotter, both thermally and radiologically, than the ZNPP reactors are now. Additionally, all control was lost at Fukushima. There are measures the ZNPP operators can take to mitigate such an accident.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:39 am to
The reason that Russia would consider blowing up the plant is not to cause a massive radiation leak (after all, the prevailing winds are usually towards Russia).

The reason that Russia would blow up the plant is that the plant is capable of producing a massive amount of electricity, and Russia wants Ukraine economically damaged as much as possible.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:54 am to
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The reason that Russia would consider blowing up the plant is not to cause a massive radiation leak (after all, the prevailing winds are usually towards Russia).

The reason that Russia would blow up the plant is that the plant is capable of producing a massive amount of electricity, and Russia wants Ukraine economically damaged as much as possible.


So in theory, such a decision could have at least some logic from the Russian side if they were expecting the war to end in the near future? Perhaps expecting a collapse of the eastern front and a quick loss of that territory?
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:13 am to
DailyBeast
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Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin was spotted Tuesday arriving at an FSB office in St. Petersburg along with his security team, local news outlet Fontanka reports. He had reportedly been invited to collect several weapons seized by security services in the wake of his attempted insurrection last month.

Authorities handed over two Saiga rifles, a Mannlicher rifle, and several other firearms, according to Fontanka. The lot reportedly also included a Glock pistol gifted to the foul-mouthed mercenary boss by none other than Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, whom Prigozhin had allegedly hoped to capture in his armed uprising and march on Rostov.

Prigozhin was also reportedly given back 10 billion rubles (more than $100 million) that law enforcement had found during a raid on one of his vehicles.


The internet is entertaining the idea that Putin wanted Wagner in Belarus as a check on Luka. I tend to believe most decisions are not 5D chess.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 10:17 am
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