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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:32 pm to
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First of it their shite sucks.

Secondly, they historically have never maintained a proper supply of spare parts etc


This. Russia only defeated the Nazis because of American logistics and the billions of dollars in trucks, tanks, bullets, winter clothing, shells and food. Now that they're forced to come up with the means of war on their own I don't expect them to last another 12 months. The wheels are coming off their military industrial complex.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:08 pm to
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When I'm at home I sit to pee 100% of the time.


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SirWinston

That's not something that you admit to.

But it checks out nonetheless.
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:19 pm to
Another ammo dump gone near Makeevka

LINK

Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38495 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:34 pm to
The only reason Russia benefits from a drawn out war is manpower. They can keep sending in waves for a while.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 7:34 pm to
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I don't do that to myself, but if whatever OT 6.5 to 8 I'm currently sleeping with enjoys doing that to me, I certainly don't stop her.



You are saying the women you are paying to have sex are pegging you? Seriously, are you retarded?
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
11853 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:05 pm to
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Every Sane Person: Ukraine / US / Globalists are setting the stage for nuclear false flag.



Ok, but why? Please explain. I'm legitimately curious.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:52 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces appear to be focusing on creating an asymmetrical attrition gradient that conserves Ukrainian manpower at the cost of a slower rate of territorial gains, while gradually wearing down Russian manpower and equipment. The current pace of Ukrainian operations is not indicative of a stalemate or evidence that Ukraine cannot retake large areas.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least four sectors of the front and advanced on July 4.

Russian and Ukrainian officials escalated their rhetoric surrounding the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on July 5, but Russia is likely focused on accusing Ukraine of irresponsible actions around the ZNPP including setting conditions for a possible false flag attack. Russia remains unlikely to generate a radiological incident at the ZNPP at this time.

The reported reorganization of Russian internal security organs suggests that the Kremlin has not yet concluded that it has effectively neutralized the threats of future armed rebellions following the Wagner Group’s June 23-24 rebellion.

Russian authorities are absolving Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin of financial responsibility for damages caused by the Wagner Group rebellion and reportedly returned significant liquid assets to Prigozhin, possibly as part of the deal negotiated between Putin, Prigozhin, and Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko.

The official Chechen response to an attack against a Russian opposition journalist in Chechnya may impact Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov’s standing in the Russian ultranationalist information space.

Kadyrov’s prominence in the broader Russian information space will likely force Kadyrov to choose between preserving his regime and his support in the ultranationalist information space, however.

Russia is reportedly forming a new combined arms army as part of the Northern Fleet, likely in order to posture its preparedness against NATO.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted a drone attack on Moscow Oblast and Novaya Moskva on July 4.

Russian conducted limited ground attacks along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line and south of Kreminna.

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian and Ukrainian forces escalated ground attacks in the Bakhmut area.

Russian forces continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line on July 4.

Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks in western Donetsk Oblast.

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Orikhiv in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russia continues efforts to mobilize its defense industrial base (DIB).

Russian officials continue to deport Ukrainian children to Russia under the guise of providing pediatric healthcare.

Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:32 pm to
Not sure how it can be done but someone is going to have to force the return of Ukraine's children as a condition of ending this war.

Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:37 pm to
I wish we had just pushed their shite in in 1948
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:37 pm to
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Please explain. I'm legitimately curious

We all know he won't.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61499 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:44 pm to
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That would explain why there's new video today of another Russian tank loaded with ancient T-55s, heading towards the front.


I feel bad for anyone getting shoved into one of those in this day and age. We blew the ever living frick out of those things in the first Gulf War and that was over 30 years ago.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:15 pm to
I have no idea why the US / Ukraine coalition will create a nuclear false flag. I just know how to listen to them when they tell us what they are going to do. The "Red Mirage" election of 2020 comes to mind. They told us for months what was going to happen to Trumps lead, and then they did it.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:43 pm to
Client is correct, and we helped them with building and designing their tanks and planes in WW2 etc and they were just like what we were using simple but effective. Our Sherman’s were no match for their Tigers but we had 10 to their one and they rarely broke comparatively and were much more fuel efficient. They followed that model and it worked.

But after the Cold War it became different and we absorbed most of the German tech though “operation paperclip” and we began to built their super weapons, maybe we got help from “the others” too, who knows. They couldn’t keep up and was really never a fair fight and despite the situation they destroyed themselves trying and lost the Cold War.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:21 pm to
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we unironically live in a world where our countrymen will believe a 4chan post


Even taking that 4chan post at face value it is a farce:

1) The, the US and Ukraine are going to initiate a false flag operation to pull the US into the war directly. Ok, I can almost buy that premise from Ukraine's side. However, the US side does share not that same view. The US gains most by bleeding Putin (and specifically his war machine assets) into submission, but has little to gain by all-out war.

2) Said false flag would be a nuclear one. Ukraine wouldn't benefit at all from this one. The greatest impact is the vicinity of the plant. It will also hamper any infrastructure recovery actions post-war.

3) The false flag would be from an aerial attack.....you know, the one thing they build nuclear facilities to be protected against. Seriously, even in the USSR they were built to withstand missile strikes and airplanes crashing into them. However, if you destroy a nuclear plant, it's far better to blow that thing up from within and cause prompt-criticality in the core.

4) The US response to such a false flag would be to go 0 to nuclear at the get-go. There is literally no universe where this one happens. I don't even think you would get a war declaration out of the US. I would think we might get "In response to the actions taking by Russia on nuclear facilities in Ukraine, NATO has authorized a series of strikes on war-making assets within Occupied Ukraine, this is NOT a war againt Russian Territory or Russian People" - Followed by something like a 100-Tomahawk Salvo on Russian positions in Ukraine.

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Further: If you're in that Q mindset that this is all just one big money laundering scheme run by globalist elites, there is literally nothing the elites gain from the series of events in that 4Chan post. The whole point of laundering is to do it slowly, not end the world in 2 days and turn life into Mad Max.

This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 1:31 am
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:01 am to
I’m just German
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:07 am to
Ukraine is making slow steady progress on the flanks of Bahkmut.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1676165665185562624
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GREY ZONE says the ZSU are not abandoning attempts to flank Bakhmut from two sides and are succeeding, the situation is becoming more difficult after Wagner forces were replaced by Russian regular forces.

Source: https://t.co/r35Lc6j2aN


Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5727 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:16 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 05 July 2023

General Sergei Surovikin, Commander-in-Chief Russian Aerospace Forces and deputy commander of Russian forces in Ukraine, has not been seen in public since the 23-24 June 2023 Wagner Group mutiny. Meanwhile, Deputy Defence Minister Colonel General Yunus-bek Yevkurov was notably absent from a televised appearance by the Ministry of Defence's leadership on 03 July 2023.

Reports of Surovikin's arrest cannot be confirmed, but authorities will likely be suspicious of his long association with Wagner dating back to his service in Syria from 2017. Similarly, Yevkurov was filmed talking to Wagner owner Yevgeny Prigozhin during the group's uncontested take-over of Rostov-on-Don.

Although largely known in the West by his brutal reputation, Surovikin is one of the more respected senior officers within the Russian military; any official sanction against him is likely to be divisive. The suspicion that has potentially fallen on senior serving officers highlights how Prigozhin's abortive insurrection has worsened existing fault lines within Russia's national security community.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5727 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:29 am to
from UKRINFORM...

The Armed Forces of Ukraine struck Russian depots in Makiyivka


The explosion at the Makiyivka Oil Refinery, July 4, 2023.

On the night of July 4, around 9:30 p.m., Russian depots exploded in the Russian-occupied city of Makiyivka, Donetsk region.

The local media reported the damage to the object.

The occupation administration claims the cause of the fire to be a missile attack by Ukrainian HIMARS systems.

According to eyewitnesses, the shock wave from the detonation passed through the entire city and reached neighboring Donetsk. Many houses have broken windows.

Subsequently, the Center for Strategic Communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed the attack on the strategic object of the enemy.

“As a result of the effective fire impact of units of the Defense Forces of Ukraine, another warehouse of Russian terrorists in temporarily occupied Makiyivka ceased to exist,” the statement reads.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:38 am to
No, you are just a regular disaffected American dude. But your description of sex reads like what some autistic dude would write.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4601 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:01 am to
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Ukrainian forces appear to be focusing on creating an asymmetrical attrition gradient that conserves Ukrainian manpower at the cost of a slower rate of territorial gains, while gradually wearing down Russian manpower and equipment. The current pace of Ukrainian operations is not indicative of a stalemate or evidence that Ukraine cannot retake large areas.
I know some of us have had problems with Theiner's enthusiasm lately, however this thread helps explain and amplify this concept.

TLDR? As Ukraine has no viable air power to destroy the opposing defensive forces as was done at the beginning of the two Iraq campaigns, they are doing it the old fashioned way. Which takes far longer but is just as effective in the end.
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