re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

I'm convinced this is an attempt for wagner to get a free pass to re-enter combat. without Ukraine blasting away as they go back to the front lines.

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That when you're labeling anyone who even slightly questions the wisdom of US foreign policy as "pro-Putin", you need to have a chat with yourself

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You dropped in hot with your little sports fans metaphor and started hurling insults. So you should look in a mirror as well.

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Rostov is also the Logistics hub for all rail going into southern Ukraine and the primary hub for trains bound for Crimea. It basically cuts off Crimea forcing considerable detours.

Note it cuts Crimea off from both the north and the south. Control of Rostov goes a long way to the isolation of Crimea.

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Right. People are pointing out that Rostov is a long way from Moscow, but it's clear that Prigozhin's goal is to take control of the military first, or at least as much of it as possible.

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This thread is the best real-time aggregation source of info I have seen short of following a bunch of Twitter and Telegram feeds.

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well at least I'm among good friends

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The Wagnerites also seized the buildings of the head office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB department, the administration of #Rostov and one of the police departments, according to local channels. Nobody in the city understands what's going on.

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LINK

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#Russia #WagnerPMC
Wagner PMC troops have surrounded the Russian Southern Military District Headquarters in Rostov, and there are tanks/armored vehicles on the streets of several major Russian cities.

It appears Yevgeny Prigozhin is staging some type of armed action against the Russian MoD. A coup attempt is a possibility, but the locations of known incidents argues against it. As far as is known, Putin is not in Rostov at this time.

There are unconfirmed reports of exchanges of fire between Russian Government forces and Wagner PMCs.

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Priz or Shio or Putin will be dead within a week.

Here is a good list of twitter sources I put together.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v2Xp_54BCPj08MlGeRVaqKz0hS57zm78jm4kBSV0T5s/edit?usp=sharing

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Ask yourself the question "why today"? Why in the middle of the Ukrainian Offensive did a supposed ultra-nationalist like Prigozhin decide to declare war on the Russian MOD.

Remember, In the last couple of weeks Ukraine invaded Belogord and started an aggressive probing attack in the south, Russia has had to move troops to respond so they are already weaker in the rear than they were 3 weeks ago.

Now Wagner goes on a rampage in Russia causing Russia to further weaken their lines to respond. The Rosgvardiya (Russian national guard) can't stand up to Wagner on the battlefield. That's like the Oklahoma national guard (no offense to anyone in the OK NG) going up against the 101st.

Look for the real punch to come from Ukraine soon.

The more I think about this, my confidence level increases that Ukraine co-opted Wagner.

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I still have reservations that this may be a massive false move by Russia similar to "Wagner will pull out of Bahkmut in 48 hours" which then saw a renewed push by them but mounting evidence is certainly showing this is likely not the case.

The next 24-48 hours should firm up the overall picture but I agree that the timing of this is very coincidental.

As others have pointed out it may be due to the 1st of July mandate issued by the Russian MoD, however the fall out between Wagner and the MoD has been brewing for many months.

If Wagner has somehow been co-opted by Ukraine or an aligned power this is likely the first real step in the counter offensive and should be followed by a significant uptick in Ukrainian actions on the front, especially logistics linking Crimea to Kherson as seen over the last day or so - this would leave the entire Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions with very limited supply routes if Rostov on don is neutralised. Even if Wagner's move is a fortuitous occurrence this is still a potential outcome.

Still a massive hypothetical at this point as are any other theories until the situation develops.

One thing that I do come back to though is the Ukrainian's capacity to surprise and innovate during this conflict in ways that were not expected after appearing to be playing their hand in another direction, even if it means they have to sacrifice pieces to make it appear legitimate. Cold and calculating yes, but this is war and the aim is to win.

Thank you

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Nah, conservatism has always meant supporting freedom

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where do you people come up with this shite?