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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:12 pm to 94LSU
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:12 pm to 94LSU
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I suspect whatever force headed there in the first days was either from bad intel suggesting a quick surrender or to keep a large number of UKR troops there instead of the front.
Yeah, the Russians sent Spetsnaz and VDV units along with scores of attack helicopters to pin down what amounts to a National Guard unit at the Airport to the west of Kyiv.
Seems legit. Just like the giant convoy and the forces that were routed in Kharkiv were just feints. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:14 pm to 94LSU
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Good lord it's controversial to suggest hundreds of troops aren't taking a city of 3 million people?
No, it’s LAUGHABLE for you to say that Russia didn’t want to take Kiev.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:17 pm to 94LSU
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From the "Kyiv Independent"? WAPO? The BBC? Uh yeah, absolutely. How's that Ghost of Ukraine doing? Are the Russians still shelling themselves? The better question is how on earth could you have ever believed any of that BS from the same people who have been demonstrably lying to you over and over for years?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:23 pm to beerJeep
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No, it’s LAUGHABLE for you to say that Russia didn’t want to take Kiev.
Why would they want to? Kiev would be a huge drain on Russian resources. Much better to let Poland and the West feed them if they don't absolutely have to. If there was going to be a quick surrender then yeah they'd need troops there to administer the city but the entire Russian invasion force wouldn't have been enough to take Kiev if they resisted. The only source about the "Battle of Kiev" that even attempts to estimate the number of Russian troops who approached Kiev in the early days of the war puts the number at maybe 15,000. To put that in perspective that's about the same number of US troops who had to attack Fallujah for two months in order to pacify that town and at most there were 3,000 enemy combatants there. Kiev had THREE MILLION. It's just preposterous. Good grief.
The Donbass region Russia currently controls produces 80% of Ukraine's entire GDP, the rest of the country is basically worthless. They wouldn't be able to control the area they do now with so few troops unless the people there wanted them to be there anyway.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:31 pm to 94LSU
Your info is really bad, talk about chugging the KoolAid.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:44 pm to 94LSU
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The entire invasion force was less than 200k troops and Kiev alone had 3 million people, so no that wasn't a goal. Russia has never wanted Kiev. I suspect whatever force headed there in the first days was either from bad intel suggesting a quick surrender or to keep a large number of UKR troops there instead of the front.
you are neglecting the SOP of the Soviet Union. When the USSR sent in tank to stop dissent and uprisings in to both Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Russia figured a column of tanks entering Kyiv would end the leadership and the "war" would be over.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:47 pm to 94LSU
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To put that in perspective that's about the same number of US troops who had to attack Fallujah for two months in order to pacify that town and at most there were 3,000 enemy combatants there. Kiev had THREE MILLION. It's just preposterous.
So every citizen is a combatant in Kyiv, but not Fallujah?
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The Donbass region Russia currently controls produces 80% of Ukraine's entire GDP, the rest of the country is basically worthless. They wouldn't be able to control the area they do now with so few troops unless the people there wanted them to be there anyway.
Ukraine's GDP: $200B USD in 2021
Kyiv Oblast GDP: $9B USD in 2020
Kyiv City GDP: $37.5B USD in 2020
Your math sucks
Posted on 6/21/23 at 4:29 pm to 94LSU
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Why would they want to?
Why would a country go for a decapitation shot right off the bat and go for the capital where the head of state and govt is run from?
Geee willikers! I don’t know Batman!
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If there was going to be a quick surrender then yeah
That’s literally what Russia wanted you thick skulled frick
Oh. Wait. No. Russia totally wants to be fighting in Ukraine still. Duh. They want to draw out the fighting as long as possible
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 4:29 pm to 94LSU
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94LSU
Let me guess, Russia didn’t actually want Kharkiv, Kherson, or Vuhledar either . Seriously, how incompetent can a military be to send 150k to a city on the other side of a country due to “miscommunication?” Even for Russia, that’s a bridge too far.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:05 pm to 94LSU
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The Donbass region Russia currently controls produces 80% of Ukraine's entire GDP, the rest of the country is basically worthless.
No it doesn't you dumb frickstick.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:13 pm to beerJeep
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Why would a country go for a decapitation shot right off the bat and go for the capital where the head of state and govt is run from?
Geee willikers! I don’t know Batman!
And think of all the diesel fuel they wasted sending a 1,000 tanks in three columns to Kiev! Oh, the global warming consequences
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:22 pm to 94LSU
quote:Wait! You're debating the Russians wanted to take Kyiv? When they got their butts beaten in the attempt? On TV?quote:Why would they want to?
No, it’s LAUGHABLE for you to say that Russia didn’t want to take Kiev.
The question as to why they tried to take Kyiv is addressable, but it's not worth the trouble in the case of someone denying Kyiv was an early objective.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:32 pm to 94LSU
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Good lord it's controversial to suggest hundreds of troops aren't taking a city of 3 million people?
Aww, bless your heart.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:34 pm to StormyMcMan
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Your math sucks
More like failed 1st grade arithmetic
Posted on 6/21/23 at 6:43 pm to BayouBlitz
Why is everyone responding to the troll? "Russia never wanted to take Kyiv" is so idiotic as to not be serious. It's only trolling.
If he came in and said that the world was flat, would you seriously argue with him? When someone tries to argue that 2+2=5, don't lower yourself to serious debate. You only end up elevating the idiocy as worthy of consideration.
If he came in and said that the world was flat, would you seriously argue with him? When someone tries to argue that 2+2=5, don't lower yourself to serious debate. You only end up elevating the idiocy as worthy of consideration.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 6:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If he came in and said that the world was flat, would you seriously argue with him?
You ever seen a Liberator thread?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:05 pm to NC_Tigah
There’s hope for you, yet
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why is everyone responding to the troll?
Because I was posting while pooping and the bait was just too good to pass on.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:34 pm to AnotherWin4LSU
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on June 21.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged that the progress of Ukrainian counteroffensives has been slower than expected, likely due to effective Russian defenses.
The overall slower than expected pace of Ukrainian counteroffensive operations is not emblematic of Ukraine’s wider offensive potential, and Ukrainian forces are likely successfully setting conditions for a future main effort despite initial setbacks.
Ukrainian defense industry conglomerate “Ukroboronprom” announced on June 20 that Ukraine built and successfully tested a 1,000km-range drone, indicating Ukraine’s intent and ability to target Russian military infrastructure in Russian-occupied territories and Russia with Ukrainian-made drones.
Russian occupation authorities continue to codify legal mechanisms for forcible deportations from occupied areas of Ukraine.
Russan and Ukrainian forces continued to engage in positional battles along the Kupyansk-Svatove line.
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Kreminna.
Russian and Ukrainian forces continued limited ground attacks in the Bakhmut area and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the administrative border between western Donetsk and eastern Zaporizhia oblasts.
Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground attacks in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
The Russian military command is reportedly forming a new Azov Naval District as part of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
The Russian State Duma passed a law in the third reading raising age limits for Russian contract personnel and officer, likely to keep personnel currently due to retire in the force.
Russian occupation authorities continue to deport children from occupied Luhansk Oblast to Russia under the guise of medical necessity.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:35 pm to 94LSU
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Good lord it's controversial to suggest hundreds of troops aren't taking a city of 3 million people?
An armored battalion captured Baghdad by itself back in 2003, and that was a city with a population just shy of seven million at the time.
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