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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:41 pm to XenScott
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:41 pm to XenScott
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Their goal of taking Kyiv...
The entire invasion force was less than 200k troops and Kiev alone had 3 million people, so no that wasn't a goal. Russia has never wanted Kiev. I suspect whatever force headed there in the first days was either from bad intel suggesting a quick surrender or to keep a large number of UKR troops there instead of the front.
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:44 pm to 94LSU
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Russia has never wanted Kiev.
Tell that to all the dead Russians who died on the way to Kiev. quote:
I suspect whatever force headed there in the first days was . . . to keep a large number of UKR troops there instead of the front.
This was a front you fricking retard.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:57 pm to 94LSU
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The entire invasion force was less than 200k troops and Kiev alone had 3 million people, so no that wasn't a goal.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:58 pm to Hateradedrink
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Day 500 of the 3 day SMO.
No possible way Mark Milley and Bill Burns made that up
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:02 pm to ColtRange
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:33 pm to 94LSU
Patriarch Kiril provided intel that all of Eastern Ukraine would welcome Russia with open arms in 2014. Afterall, the Russian Orthodox Church is an extension of the FSB just like it had been for the KGB from 1945 on.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:35 pm to LSUnation78
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Yea, the people who have been stomping their feet since march 2022 that russia would win refuse to pin down a set of conditions for russia to win.
The goal posts were always going to be moved by them to fit their myopic view. There is no nuance to their idiocy.
There's no win for either side at this point. Russia will claim victory if they are able to hold onto any land they invaded.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:37 pm to El Mattadorr
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Tell that to all the dead Russians who died on the way to Kiev.
How many died on the way to kiev and how do you know?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:38 pm to OutsideObserver
If anything you maybe could understand a little but if rattling or shaking when the helo is NOT loaded. When it’s loaded the weight should help to stop any shaking just from the weight hanging down on it. This leads me to think the actual airframe is in dangerous shape and there’s no chance in hell that aircraft gets put back on the flight line as operational in that condition in our military. I have always asked and here bro tell me this bro telling me if I saying even though Russia has lost 1/3rd of their entire Ka-52 fleet, it is actually much worse than that. They technically have around 70 of those helicopters left but I would surprised if even 40 are actually ready to fly combat sorties between battle damage, maintenance or just shite breaking which happens a lot. I know they have Berdyansk airfield covered in air defenses but they have 20 or more Ka-52s sitting there. I’m at least making the attempt by sending a few storm shadows along with a few of the storm shadow decoys at that airfield to take out as many of those helicopters as I can. They are a major problem for the Leopards, Challengers and Abrams because as good as they are they can still shoot them from further away than Ukrainians can shoot at them with MANPADS.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:39 pm to 94LSU
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The entire invasion force was less than 200k troops and Kiev alone had 3 million people, so no that wasn't a goal. Russia has never wanted Kiev.
Russia never wanted Kyiv? Did you forget about the month long campaign with two major armies solely focused on Kyiv?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:39 pm to beerJeep
Good lord it's controversial to suggest hundreds of troops aren't taking a city of 3 million people?
I'll give the MIC credit, they've sure roped in the stupidest people alive to cheer on their war. It's unbelievable.
I'll give the MIC credit, they've sure roped in the stupidest people alive to cheer on their war. It's unbelievable.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:39 pm to 94LSU
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How many died on the way to kiev and how do you know?
Is this where you ignore the news stories that don’t fit your narrative?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:44 pm to AnotherWin4LSU
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Russia never wanted Kyiv? Did you forget about the month long campaign with two major armies solely focused on Kyiv?
What month long campaign to take kiev? IIRC there was a convey that stopped miles outside and just sat there for several days. That's why I think they either had bad intel about a quick surrender or less likely that their purpose was to keep UKR troops stuck there to defend it against potential attack.
What two major armies? Russia's entire invasion force was 160-180k men. The entire RUS force in UKR has never exceeded 200k. Anybody with *ANY* military experience will tell that's not nearly enough troops to conquer anything, much less hold it for very long (unless the people there want you there of course).
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:53 pm to notiger1997
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Is this where you ignore the news stories that don’t fit your narrative?
From the "Kyiv Independent"? WAPO? The BBC? Uh yeah, absolutely. How's that Ghost of Ukraine doing? Are the Russians still shelling themselves? The better question is how on earth could you have ever believed any of that BS from the same people who have been demonstrably lying to you over and over for years?
Geez.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:54 pm to 94LSU
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Are the Russians still shelling themselves?
They've escalated to capturing border towns
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:55 pm to 94LSU
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The better question is how on earth could you have ever believed any of that BS from the same people who have been demonstrably lying to you over and over for years?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:58 pm to 94LSU
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Anybody with *ANY* military experience will tell that's not nearly enough troops to conquer anything, much less hold it for very long (unless the people there want you there of course).
It's like Afghanistan all over again for them. At its peak, the soviets only had 125,000 in country. Want full control over the country but unwilling, or unable, to fully commit.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:02 pm to 94LSU
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How many died on the way to kiev and how do you know?
As soon as you say how you know the following:
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The entire invasion force was less than 200k troop
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Kiev....wasn't a goal
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Russia has never wanted Kiev.
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hundreds of troops (attacked Kyiv)
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Russia's entire invasion force was 160-180k men. The entire RUS force in UKR has never exceeded 200k.
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There was a convey that stopped miles outside and just sat there for several days.
Ok so what sources are valid?
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he better question is how on earth could you have ever believed any of that BS from the same people who have been demonstrably lying to you over and over for years?
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:07 pm to 94LSU
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What month long campaign to take kiev?
The Battle of Kyiv (2022)
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:10 pm to 94LSU
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How many died on the way to kiev and how do you know?
No one knows exactly how many died, but anyone with common sense knows Russia’s opening gambit was to quickly take Kiev.
We all know that attack was thwarted and a lot of Russians died around Kiev without completing their mission. Those guys died in vain, away from home, and it was all so Putin could bully a neighbor.
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