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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by El Mattadorr
Member since Mar 2019
2374 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:21 pm to
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ISW can be such crap sometimes.

Honestly, I skip over it now when it comes up on my Twitter feed. I relied on it fairly heavily early in the war.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4415 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:23 pm to
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How many more flights can it make?

How much vodka must it take to look at that canopy tape and then buckle in?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19509 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:11 pm to
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Considering everyone was predicting they'd fall within two weeks of Russia invading and would be a client state by now one could absolutely argue that in a sense they are currently winning.

They are fighting for their right to exist as an independent nation. Every day they continue to do so is a victory.


There is a long history and a short history within living memory of the animosity, distrust and vengeance Ukraine has for Moscow. It is the wellspring of their will to fight, kill and die for their country.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5732 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:35 pm to
I’d like to shake that pilot’s hand for having elephant nuts flying that bucket of bolts that is about to rattle into a million pieces. Forget accurate targeting anything. The pilot’s heads up display must be very interesting to look through with all that going on. The Russians really, really don’t take care of their shite. For a second I thought it was the Ka-52 from yesterday that his tail fell off when he jettisoned his extra fuel tanks but at least he could fly that one because the Ka-52 doesn’t have a tail rotor. If that’s me on the stick, my ground crew chief and I are having a little come to Jesus meeting when I get back.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:39 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9466 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:06 pm to
It's not like they are known for maintaining things. There may be no parts available even though on paper there are warehouses full.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:45 pm to
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I’d like to shake that pilot’s hand for having elephant nuts flying that bucket of bolts that is about to rattle into a million pieces. Forget accurate targeting anything. The pilot’s heads up display must be very interesting to look through with all that going on. The Russians really, really don’t take care of their shite. For a second I thought it was the Ka-52 from yesterday that his tail fell off when he jettisoned his extra fuel tanks but at least he could fly that one because the Ka-52 doesn’t have a tail rotor. If that’s me on the stick, my ground crew chief and I are having a little come to Jesus meeting when I get back.



From the comments in the thread apparently this "only" happens when the weapon pods are loaded, when empty they are fine.

But as the commenters note, what is the point of a weapon less combat helicopter? Plus the added metal fatigue combined with dwindling airframes that are serviceable....makes for fun times.

How important would tracking be for guided munitions though as I assume they would auto correct?

Edit: Clarity

This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:47 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 12:32 am to
https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1671142382232797184

I recommend reading the entire article, but this quote encapsulates how prejudice and confirmation bias are used to fight beyond the front lines.

quote:

12/ David utilizes manipulation tactics to influence the audience's perception, implying that the responsibility for the war's continuation rests with Washington rather than Moscow. This disregards the fact that Ukrainian people see this war as an existential.


Edit: Fixed link.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 12:34 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2495 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:50 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 21 June 2023

Intense fighting continues in sectors of southern Ukraine. However, over recent weeks, Russia has continued to expend significant effort building defensive lines deep in rear areas, especially on the approaches to occupied Crimea.

This includes an extensive zone of defences of 9 km in length, 3.5 km north of the town Armyansk, on the narrow bridge of land connecting Crimea to the Kherson region.

These elaborate defences highlight the Russian command's assessment that Ukrainian forces are capable of directly assaulting Crimea.

Russia continues to see maintaining control of the peninsula as a top political priority.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 6:45 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:18 am to
Because Russia being a dick country is still a thing.

Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12071 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:19 am to
Yea, the people who have been stomping their feet since march 2022 that russia would win refuse to pin down a set of conditions for russia to win.


The goal posts were always going to be moved by them to fit their myopic view. There is no nuance to their idiocy.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:20 am
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:46 am to
New footage claimed to be of Nordstream 2 from Blueye Robotics ( https://www.blueyerobotics.com)

Much clearer conditions than previous videos, what are folks thoughts, especially CitizenK?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1671477923126157314 - Video
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17854 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:03 am to
Rybar update from 20 minutes ago, says that they retook Pyatykhatky:

quote:

This morning, Russian servicemen launched a counterattack from the village of Zherebyanki in order to recapture positions near Pyatikhatki. In the ensuing battle, with the support of artillery, the formation of the 128th Guards Rifle Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were driven out of the settlement.

Now Pyatikhatki is under Russian control. According to the Archangel of Spetsnaz (LINK ), Ukrainian units are trying to counterattack. But the fighters of the 429th regiment of the RF Armed Forces successfully beat off the rolls of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. An accurate blow destroyed one enemy infantry fighting vehicle.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11811 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:12 am to
looks like an explosion from the out in and not inside out. but that is all you can tell from the video
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9466 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:25 am to
It was pressurized so burst like a balloon.
Posted by Chappie Pokeman
Member since Apr 2023
7 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:07 am to
LINK

Perhaps the most accurate Milblogger is Prigozhin:

quote:

Prigozhin accuses the Russian MoD of hiding facts about the Ukrainian offensive and Russian losses.

In a 4-minute audio message, Prigozhin declares there are areas where no military reporters are allowed to hide the truth about casualties Russia is taking during the counter-offensive. According to Prigozhin, Ukrainians are aiming to reach Molochny Lyman (likely to cut the Russian Zaporizhzhia group into two).
If things progress the same way, Russians will one day wake up with Crimea being Ukrainian, says Prigozhin.

He once again attacks Shoygu for inactivity and brings up the dead sailors of the Moskva cruiser lost by Russia last spring.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 10:21 am
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12071 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:19 am to
Eh, there is some sort of internal struggle with the warlords inside of Russia.

Prigozhin has been apt to speak truth, but also a bit of embellishment to smear Shoigu. Lots of PR posturing from the king of the Russian troll farm (Progozhin)
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 10:20 am
Posted by Chappie Pokeman
Member since Apr 2023
7 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:23 am to
Prigozhin echoed by Guzenko:



Maybe this is a way to pressure MoD, the truth, or both.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3136 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:47 am to
Their goal of taking Kyiv would have allowed them to take the entire eastern side of the Dnieper river. When they couldn’t take Kyiv they effectively lost. They already had Crimea, now they could lose it.

I honestly thought they would split Ukraine at the Dnieper and create an Eastern Ukraine client state. I don’t think Russia will ever stop. They can’t win but they won’t stop.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9466 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:37 am to
The inability to take Slovyansk was key. Without Slovyansk, Bakhmut had zero strategic value.
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
217 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:22 pm to
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Day 500 of the 3 day SMO.


SMO operation began 500 days ago but this war began in 2014. Maybe even as early as 2004. Russia’s poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko in 2004 was the first of many open acts of war it committed against Ukraine.
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