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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:37 pm to
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Why would they want to?

To decapitate the leadership and set up their people. That's how it is done.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:52 pm to
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If he came in and said that the world was flat, would you seriously argue with him?


This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:53 pm
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:02 pm to
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Good lord it's controversial to suggest hundreds of troops aren't taking a city of 3 million people?



Baghdad had a population > 5,000,000 and the US led coalition took it with around 30,000 troops during the Battle of Baghdad (2003). So yes it is possible to take a city the size of Kyiv with a force the similar to the size that Russia sent to capture Kyiv.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:11 pm to
LINK

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Kakhovka reservoir is drying up: Sentinel-2 data processed by Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Institute

(light blue - water remaining on June 20, purple - Dnipro river bed).




That leads to the conclusion that there are two potential crossing points at present or in the near future: at Mykhailivka, and at Sablukivka.



Those are the logical crossing points, because the nearby ground has been dry for at least five days, and also because Ukraine can realistically only attempt a crossing where the river channel is close to the Ukrainian side.

Of course, Ukraine could also attempt a crossing further south near Kherson City.

My understanding is that Ukraine has three pontoon systems capable of a Dnipro crossing. They could conceivably attempt to cross in two places at once, to increase the chance of success.
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:18 pm to
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Those are the logical crossing points, because the nearby ground has been dry for at least five days, and also because Ukraine can realistically only attempt a crossing where the river channel is close to the Ukrainian side.



Russia has plenty of time to build fortifications and secure those sites. That has been the bottom of a lake for 70 years. It is going to take longer than a few weeks for the ground to dry up enough to support operations.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 9:27 pm to
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Why would they want to? Kiev would be a huge drain on Russian resources. Much better to let Poland and the West feed them if they don't absolutely have to.


Stopped here. Tell me you dk shite about this without telling me. The Russians do not want the west or Poland anywhere closer to them in any capacity. It is literally their historical reason for this war.
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 9:52 pm to
Well, if that was Putin’s goal for this war he really really fricked up. Poland is clearly preparing and hoping for war, and building a massive modern military and NATO has never been more determined or unified.

No way in hell you Putin dick suckers can argue that point.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:00 pm to
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Well, if that was Putin’s goal for this war he really really fricked up.


Absolutely. This has been a massive miscalculation for Putin. If the war ended today and Russia kept Crimea and the eastern territory they still control it’s still a massive failure for him because of this, Scandinavian NATO ascension, loss of personnel, equipment, economic value, among others.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:13 pm to
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If the war ended today and Russia kept Crimea and the eastern territory they still control it’s still a massive failure for him because of this, Scandinavian NATO ascension, loss of personnel, equipment, economic value, among others.


Nuce shot of Copium.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:27 pm to
Managed to track down the original story about Nordstream 2 that the footage was taken from, there is far more footage available and the article is fairly positive that it was caused by a shaped charge.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2023-06-20-lille-detalje-paa-den-oedelagte-gasledning-ved-bornholm-sladrer-om-hvordan-sabotagen-blev-gennemfoert - Lots of Video

One of the significant things is that in comparison, Nordstream 1 used a much larger and more destructive blast according to Oliver Alexander based on the size of the destruction and spread of the debris

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1671398627279876101

I wonder what the odds are on each pipe being blown by different parties is given the reported disparate methods.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:31 pm to
Plus an independent Ukraine who will almost assuredly become a member of NATO and the EU
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:43 pm to
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Eh, there is some sort of internal struggle with the warlords inside of Russia.



Nah, this is just Russia and Prigozhin is saying exactly what Putin wants him to, Shoygu is being set up to take the blame and suffer the consequences for this.

Putin is looking for a way to survive this and blaming the MOD for corruption he was blind to is low hanging fruit.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:52 pm to
Found quite a few things today,

Reports Ukraine is forming another 3 reserve Rifle brigades which would discount claims they are hitting a manpower shortage if true.

https://militaryland.net/news/ukraine-forms-additional-reserve-forces/

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Three new reserve brigades have recently appeared in the structure of Ukrainian Ground Forces.

Ukrainian command has decided to form three additional reserve brigades to reinforce the strength of its reserve forces. We wrote about the first 142nd Reserve Brigade back in April 2023, and recently three more reserve brigades have appeared.

141st Reserve Rifle Brigade
143rd Reserve Rifle Brigade
144th Reserve Rifle Brigade
There is a little to known about the new brigades. We’ll follow the topic and update the article once we learn more.




Fascinating article by VoxUkraine about how Western studies in America of both Russia and Eastern Europe countries are flawed in their understanding on what motivates and drives both sides due to a multi-generational Russia centric focus on history and literature studies.

https://voxukraine.org/en/why-russian-studies-in-the-west-failed-to-provide-a-clue-about-russia-and-ukraine

Great article by Henry Schlottman on how the counteroffensive has progressed thus far for both sides. As he notes this is not a final assessment as it is still far too early to declare how it will play out.

https://henryschlottman.substack.com/p/ukraines-counteroffensive-part-ii



Sam Bendett assess claims from a Russian telegram channel that they are still plagued by communications problems, even after over a year in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/sambendett/status/1671597425306263552



Found an alternative to Oryx, many are probably already aware of them but sharing for those who may not. They claim to be more strict then Oryx in what they classify as a loss, as noted in their latest thread.

https://twitter.com/WarSpotting

https://twitter.com/WarSpotting/status/1671130073934581761


Finally this was Malcontent News's take on the Ukrainian tank reversing over an MRAP. I have to agree with many other comments I have seen, MRAP's are damn sturdy.




Edit: Clarity and fixed link
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 11:10 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:14 pm to
This is reportedly just north of Kakhovka dam, I wonder what the old road bed is looking like

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1671208664768688145

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An old island appeared in the Dnipro. According to wikimapia, this is an old flooded island called Tavan. There seems to be an old road visible. I think it might be slightly elevated due to the area being swampy, and therefore preserved (enough to be visible).


Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:23 am to
Commercial divers do this around 1000 times a year just in the Gulf of Mexico. It is the preferred method and only one used when even near 200 feet deep. It severs right through heavy wall steel pipe filled with cement and in some cases layers of pipe and cement.

It was deep enough to require saturation diving with decompression required.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 12:25 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5722 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 4:54 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 22 June 2023

On 20 June 2023, Russia's Duma voted to create a parliamentary committee to investigate alleged crimes committed by the Ukrainian government against juveniles in the Donbas since 2014.

The Duma is almost certainly responding to the international condemnation of Russia's deportation of children from occupied Ukraine since its full-scale invasion.

The move is highly likely both a form of 'lawfare' and contributes to Russian information operations, weaponising legislation by attempting to muddy the narrative around its own egregious action. Messaging around children's rights is likely an important communications theme for the Kremlin because alleged child deportations formed the basis of the International Criminal Court's arrest warrant against President Putin issued in March 2023.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:07 am to
Russians report attack on Chonhar Bridge
Olha Hlushchenko, Iryna Balachuk — Thursday, 22 June 2023, 09:26

Russians have reported an attack on a bridge on the administrative border between Kherson Oblast and Crimea near Chonhar.

Source: Volodymyr Saldo, collaborator and so-called "head" of occupied Kherson Oblast; Sergey Aksyonov, the Russian-appointed head of Crimea; Russian media outlet Baza

Details: Aksyonov reported that "an attack was made on the Chonhar bridge at night."

Saldo stated that, "according to a preliminary assessment, British Storm Shadow missiles were used." In addition, Saldo posted a photo of the Chonhar Bridge.



Ukrainska Pravda


More info Defense industry of Ukraine


The bridge is a strategic object that plays an important role in the logistics of the Russian invasion forces. Thus, due to the suspension of traffic through Chonhar, Russian trucks will have to make a detour of 100 kilometers to get from Crimea to occupied Melitopol, which will take at least several hours.

The bridge is located 128 kilometers away from the nearest point of the line of engagement, namely the right bank of the Kherson region. This eliminates the possibility of using the already traditional GMLRS precision missiles from HIMARS MRL, the range of which does not exceed 84 kilometers.

The Storm Shadow cruise missiles recently delivered by the UK are a potential candidate for hitting targets at such a long range. However, the somewhat modest consequences of a hit do not match the power of the missile’s 450-kilogram warhead.

The Ukrainian “Vilkha-M” missile could be considered another candidate. It was built before the start of the Russian invasion and was in the final stages of development in 2022. The 150 km range of these missiles covers the distance to the bridge, and its warhead weighing 170 kg is similar in effect to that of the GMLRS 91 kg one.

On February 28, 2023, Ivan Vinnyk, First Deputy Chairman of the National Association of the Defense Industrial Complex of Ukraine, shared that the manufacturers were planning to modify Vilkha-M. He declined to specify exactly when the missiles might be ready and how many would be manufactured.

“Let’s just say, we hope, just during the counteroffensive, the probability of which is expected in the south, in the direction of the Sea of Azov,” he said. “Tests will take place on the battlefield.”
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 5:24 am
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:36 am to
Lots of discussion on this land bridge since the strike, pretty much all the channels I watch on the Pro-Ukranian side are commenting on how important it is.

This translation of a Russian telegram channel claims that up to 70% of traffic to the Kherson region went over this bridge. I agree that this likely wasn't Stormshadow due to the limited damage, though there is the possibility if it was it punched straight through the bridge to the hit the water, I find it unlikely.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1671790854812450817

quote:

Russian military blogger explains the importance of the Chongar bridge: it was best suited for the Russian military and civilian supply in Kherson region, it carried 70% of the traffic. While it can be repaired, Russia does not have reliable means to prevent cruise missile strikes in the area.

https://t.me/zhivoff/9740






Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:23 am to
There's no chance that small hole is Storm Shadow.

It looks exactly like the small holes in the Antinovsky Bridge near Kherson that Ukraine made using GMLRS rockets from HIMARS.

But it's too far to be GMLRS, so I have to conclude that this is GLSDB. We didn't know when GLSDB would be delivered to Ukraine, but this makes sense.

Edit: three rockets hit the twin bridges, and another narrowly missed. There is zero chance that Ukraine spent four Storm Shadow missiles on these bridges. We also haven't seen anything like a Ukrainian ability to fire four Storm Shadow at once.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 6:32 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:36 am to
But very interesting to read Russian chatter. They are waking up to the fact that Ukrainian long-range missiles (whether Storm Shadow or GLSDB) mean they are doomed. Ukraine will completely choke off supply to the front in the south, and, like the Kherson situation last fall, they will eventually have no option but to retreat.
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