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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:49 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:49 am to
The hole which I have seen in photos looks no worse than holes in wharves in New Orleans 40 years ago. they just put a steel plate to cover the hole back then.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:56 am to
From The Kyiv Independent...

Explosions reported in occupied Dzhankoi, Crimea

by Martin Fornusek June 22, 2023 1:45 PM

Residents of the occupied city of Dzhankoi in Crimea reported a large number of explosions in the area, Deputy Permanent Representative of the President of Ukraine to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Denys Chystikov said on NV radio on June 22.

“There was panic in Dzhankoi this morning. Local residents are talking about a large number of explosions in this area, but the occupation administration keeps quiet,” he said.

According to Chistikov, there are also reports of a destruction of a transformer near Kerch from last night.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:56 am to
I was apparently 100% incorrect. Here's a fragment of a missile which clearly indicates its manufacture by MBDA Missile Systems. It was Storm Shadow.



And, while one of the holes appeared small and round like the GMLRS holes we saw in Antinovsky Bridge, this hole is not. Much bigger.

Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:15 am to
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Baghdad had a population > 5,000,000 and the US led coalition took it with around 30,000 troops during the Battle of Baghdad (2003).


Only when you have complete air superiority and are facing a population not motivated to defend a despot
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:28 am to
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Reports Ukraine is forming another 3 reserve Rifle brigades which would discount claims they are hitting a manpower shortage if true.


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Three new reserve brigades have recently appeared in the structure of Ukrainian Ground Forces. Ukrainian command has decided to form three additional reserve brigades to reinforce the strength of its reserve forces. We wrote about the first 142nd Reserve Brigade back in April 2023, and recently three more reserve brigades have appeared. 141st Reserve Rifle Brigade 143rd Reserve Rifle Brigade 144th Reserve Rifle Brigade There is a little to known about the new brigades. We’ll follow the topic and update the article once we learn more.


I would be hesitant to declare the formation of these three rifle brigades as discounting manpower shortages. It all depends on how these brigades were formed and to what strength they’ve been raised. Remember, even in the final weeks of the WWII the Germans were still creating entire “divisions” which in most cases turned out to be little more than kampfgruppes cobbled together by merging the shattered remnants of already depleted formations.

Having said that, I’m not saying this is what Ukraine is doing. I’m just pointing out a hypothetical possibility with historic precedent. It’s entirely possible these new rifle brigades are fully staffed fresh formations. We simply don’t know one way or the other.

Disclaimer: As I’ve stated and demonstrated before in this thread, I’m a neutral observer in this war and only give opinions based on my own military experience and decades of study in military history.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:54 am to
This is correct: LINK

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With the damage to the Chongar crossing between Kherson and Crimea last night, russian military traffic will be forced to use the Armiansk route, passing through Chaplynka.

50km from Ukrainian positions and in HIMARS range.




And that route is a smaller road, not intended for the traffic that it's about to get. Oh, and that road has bridges too.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 8:03 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:02 am to
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What month long campaign to take kiev? IIRC there was a convey that stopped miles outside and just sat there for several days. That's why I think they either had bad intel about a quick surrender or less likely that their purpose was to keep UKR troops stuck there to defend it against potential attack.



Hahaha

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What two major armies? Russia's entire invasion force was 160-180k men. The entire RUS force in UKR has never exceeded 200k. Anybody with *ANY* military experience will tell that's not nearly enough troops to conquer anything, much less hold it for very long (unless the people there want you there of course).



But there were three main attack thrusts from three different northerly directions, all of which were aimed at surrounding Kiev. Their intention was to capture Kiev and displace the government, hoping that the rest of the country would fall in line after securing the capital.

Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:15 am to
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If the war ended today and Russia kept Crimea and the eastern territory they still control it’s still a massive failure for him because of this, Scandinavian NATO ascension, loss of personnel, equipment, economic value, among others. Nuce shot of Copium.


Russia’s goal was to weaken NATO. If you will recall he requested the expulsion of the former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries from NATO and be neutral like Sweden and Finland in the negotiations before the invasion and to create a buffer between NATO and Russia. Instead the former Warsaw Pact and FSU nations in NATO donated their cold war era equipment to Ukraine and replaced it with modern NATO standard equipment. Finland also joined NATO and Sweden will eventually join NATO. So instead of splitting or weakening NATO he got a stronger and larger NATO that is more united. Instead of a buffer zone against NATO he got 2 new NATO members on his northern border and within striking distance of his beloved hometown of St Petersburg. So yeah this war has backfired.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 9:31 am
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:38 am to
Finland joining NATO is a huge blow. Russia has a strategic submarine port part of their triad not too far away.

Finland being part of NATO now is being very much overloooked.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 8:39 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:50 am to
@NOELReports:
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Big queues at the Perekop checkpoint on the border of Crimea and Kherson oblast after the missile strike on the Chonhar bridge. The waiting time is one and a half hours.


Russian logistics are in big trouble.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 9:43 am to
Yet the rail bridge was not hit. So more a civilian thing
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:03 am to
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Yet the rail bridge was not hit. So more a civilian thing



And yet Cypher posted a tweet earlier this morning about multiple loud explosions at Dzhankoi, the rail hub for that area.

This is going to turn out similar to the Kherson offensive, only Ukraine now has the tools to prevent Russia from retreating with most of its equipment.

The other difference is that, now, the biggest logistics problem that Russia will have is fuel. At Kherson, they could simply run a fuel pipe under the surface of the Dnipro River. But the fuel needs of all the tanks and other military vehicles along the front significantly exceed the ammo needs, and I don't think that Russia is going to be able to do it -- not for too long, anyway. Ukraine is going to continue to strangle Russian supply.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:06 am to
Rail on land can be repaired easily in a day. It does disrupt but if there is one thing that Russia has is repair crews for rail.
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:07 am to
I’m not as optimistic. Without a meaningful way to provide CAS, it’s going to be difficult to assault entrenched positions.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:17 am to
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Rail on land can be repaired easily in a day. It does disrupt but if there is one thing that Russia has is repair crews for rail.



A track can be repaired in hours, yes. But a hub, with all the controls and switches? I bet that takes longer. But I also remember Ukraine previously taking out a rail bridge on the way to Melitopol? I'm trying to remember exactly where that one was.

But there have also been partisan/SOF attacks on railroads as well.

I'm not saying that Ukraine's attack today is going to result in victory tomorrow. What I am saying is that it shows how Ukraine is ultimately going to succeed in its offensive:

1) Ukrainian troop attacks increase the strain on Russian logistics.

2) Ukraine attacks Russian logistics, meaning that the front doesn't get all the supplies it needs.

3) Ukraine takes Russian positions along the front.

4) Go back to Step 1.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:36 am to
looks like structural damage in addition to the roadbed...

((Tendar)))
@Tendar
Video footage of the Chonhar car bridge reveal that the damage is more extensive then seen on the still-pictures.

Coordinates:

45°57'08"N 34°28'45"E

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 11:00 am to
CitizenK, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. How has Russia been supplying the front to this point? Are they running trains full of fuel into Melitopol? Wouldn't those just get HIMARSed before they could be unloaded? Just four days ago, Ukraine blew up the huge ammo dump at Rykove, near Henichesk and not that far north of Chonhar.

Russia has to distribute from somewhere. My own guess is that, after the detonation at Rykove, Russia was distributing more from Dzhankoi, sending trucks directly from there (and over that Chonhar Bridge that was just destroyed today).
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 11:06 am to
CNN: LINK

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In its early phases, Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN.

The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of the officials said.

According to the Western assessments, Russian lines of defense have been proving well-fortified, making it difficult for Ukrainian forces to breach them. In addition, Russian forces have had success bogging down Ukrainian armor with missile attacks and mines and have been deploying air power more effectively.

Ukrainian forces are proving “vulnerable” to minefields and Russian forces “competent” in their defense, one of the Western officials said.

The officials cautioned that the counteroffensive is still in its early stages – and that the US and its allies “remain optimistic” Ukrainian forces will be able to make territorial gains over time. The US and its allies are likely to wait until at least July for a fuller assessment of the progress of the counteroffensive which was gradually launched over the last few weeks and is seen as crucial to determining who ultimately wins the war which was launched when Russia invaded last year.
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:07 pm to
I think UA and NATO planners underestimated the impact of air units while trying to navigate mines and obstacles. You saw UA start to have more success when they dismounted, but that’s not a recipe for meaningful gains.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:45 pm to
They can run small tankers to Melitopol and Berdyansk easy as pie. Their refineries have few other customers these days and there is a major terminal on the Black Sea for both crude oil and refined products. It is at Novorossiysk
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