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Posted on 6/3/23 at 9:06 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 9:06 pm to
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I would like to know what was in those 2 warehouses at Berdyansk port.


If I'm not mistaken Ukraine said it was stolen grain
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:17 pm to
Not in warehouses. Grain is loaded in bulk, pouring into shipholds, then trimmed (shooting grain up the sides) so no voids and that angle of repose doesn't capsize the ship at sea
Posted by Bimby
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Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:26 pm to
Grain is stored in flat warehouses some. The real question is why would they waste valuable missiles on even a million bushels of grain? Seems the military targets would be more important.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17348 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:25 pm to
The Ukrainians are using Putin’s play book….Russian troops from Ukraine are at present infiltrating and liberating parts of Russia and intend to hold referenda Putin style …that the Belgarod Oblast declare itself independent…then the next Oblast and then the next.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 12:30 am to
Yeah there is absolutely no way they targeted grain. Who knows what they think was in there but clearly their intel said it was a very high value target.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5724 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:02 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 4 June 2023

Some local Russian security officials are likely interpreting Russia's draconian wartime legislation to mean that public display of blue and yellow items is outlawed because it might evidence discreet support for Ukraine.

On 09 May 2023, a care home worker was reportedly arrested after wearing a blue and yellow jacket to work. In recent days, Russian National Guard troops arrested a 22 year old man in Volkhov near St Petersburg for displaying which was eventually determined to be the blue and yellow flag of Russia's own Aerospace Forces.

The clampdown highlights uncertainty within a paranoid Russian officialdom of what is and is deemed permissible within an increasingly totalitarian system. Criticism of the arrests has come from an unexpected quarter: the
ultra-nationalist, pro-war Liberal Democratic party. The party's own branding features yellow on a blue background.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:07 am to
Air Force: Ukraine downs 4 cruise missiles, 3 drones launched by Russia

The Kyiv Independent by Igor Kossov June 4, 2023 9:32 AM

Ukrainian air defenses shot down four of six cruise missiles and three of five drones that Russia used to attack military facilities and critical infrastructure on the night of June 4, the Air Force of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported.

The missiles were type Kh-101s and Kh-555s, fired by missile carrier aircraft Tu-95MS from near the Caspian Sea. The drones were Iranian Shahed 136/131s, launched from Bryansk Oblast, a region bordering Ukraine.

All the weapons trying to attack the capital were destroyed, the Kyiv City Military Administration reported, without specifying how many there were or what they were targeting.

Overnight, explosions were reported in Kyiv, Kirovohrad, and Sumy oblasts.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:40 am to
They arrest you for wearing blue and yellow, meanwhile certain people can make openly seditious statements on social media seemingly without consequences.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 5:12 am to
The talking heads on Skabeeva's show recognize the dilemma Chromdome pointed out and they see exactly how dire it is as I mentioned the splitting of finite resources.

Olga says they must destroy every living thing in the Kharkiv region which I assume translates to oblast.

YT
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5724 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:38 am to
Ukrainian News Agency
04 June 2023, Sunday, 10:50

2 Russian missiles hit operational airfield near Kropyvnytskyi – Air Force

This follows from a statement by Ukraine's Air Force spokesperson, Yurii Ihnat, announced on the telethon air.

"Regarding cruise missiles. Unfortunately, not all were destroyed. Out of six, four were destroyed by the anti-aircraft defense. And two, unfortunately, hit the operational airfield near Kropyvnytskyi," he said.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:40 am to
Random tweets

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The Russian Ministry of Defense proposes to put citizens on military registration without visiting the military commissariat, pro-Putin media write with reference to the draft document.

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Not sure I 100% buy this, but yeah
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The losses of the Armed Forces in Bakhmut were 7.5 times less than those of the russians, - Secretary of the National Security Council Oleksii Danilov in an interview with the Italian publication Corriere della Sera.

"Since September 1, when moscow started using convicts as mercenaries in Bakhmut, 22,816 russians have died. Our losses were 7.5 times smaller. We have no right to surrender our cities," the NSDC secretary said.

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Ukrainian pilots will be sent in waves to train on Western fighter jets. The first list has been formed, - Air Force spokesman Yurii Ihnat told the details of the training of Ukrainian pilots on F-16 fighters.

"You have to fight here, but you also have to study there. Therefore, on such a rotational basis, they will be sent in waves. In the first wave, there may be several dozen pilots. In the first wave, there will actually be the best and most experienced pilots. Priority for those who speak English well." - Yurii Ihnat

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The so-called "head" of the temporarily occupied Crimea reported a nighttime attack in the region by nine drones

"Five UAVs were shot down by air defense forces, four more were silenced and planted by EW devices. Glass was broken in three private sector houses and two cars in the city of Dzhankoy," - Aksyonov.

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:43 am to
Verrrry interesting Washington Post top headline story today:

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NATO-trained units will serve as tip of spear in Ukraine’s counteroffensive

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When Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive finally begins, the fight will be led by brigades armed not only with Western weapons but also Western know-how, gleaned from months of training aimed at transforming Ukraine’s military into a modern force skilled in NATO’s most advanced warfare tactics.

As other Ukrainian units were fighting to expel the Russian occupiers from the country’s east and south, the brand-new 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade was preparing for the next phase of war from a classroom at a NATO base in Germany.

The brigade’s leadership trained with computers that simulated situations they might face in real life. Deputy commander Maj. Ivan Shalamaha and others planned their assaults and then let the program show them the results — how their Russian enemies might respond, where they could make a breakthrough and where they would suffer losses.

“You understand the overall picture, how it works,” Shalamaha said. “You understand where and what your shortcomings were. And we pay attention to what we failed to do during this simulation.”

Now the war games are over. The 47th brigade and other assault units have been armed with Western weapons, including Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and relocated to a secret location closer to the front line. During a recent visit by Washington Post journalists, the soldiers were waiting for the order to charge ahead to retake a large swath of Ukrainian territory and tip the war back in Kyiv’s favor.

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Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov called it the “next level” of security assistance, something he and other officials requested from their Western partners. The United Kingdom has been providing basic training to thousands of Ukrainian recruits since last summer. But more recently, whole Ukrainian units have been sent to Germany and other countries to learn “how to operate simultaneously together, like interoperability among the different units,” Reznikov said.
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One goal of the training is to teach Ukraine’s soldiers how to go on offense. For years, the Ukrainian military focused mainly on defensive tactics — how to protect its territory from attack. Even soldiers who fought Russian proxies in eastern Ukraine for eight years before Moscow’s full-scale invasion had little experience with planned assaults.
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At the training in Germany earlier this year, “the main tasks that were played there were offensive — only going on the offensive,” said a 29-year-old company commander whom The Washington Post is identifying only by his call sign, Tovarish, out of security concerns.

“We were in constant contact with their sergeants, officers, soldiers, as they trained us,” Tovarish said. “We had translators with us, so we could ask any questions. There was never a time when we asked a question, and they didn’t respond. Everything was really at a high level. We saw this other level, and we need to get there.”
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Shalamaha said the first tasks working with KORA, a war-game simulator designed for NATO forces, were to plan make-believe operations on foreign soil against a pretend enemy. The instruction progressed to focus on what lies ahead for Ukraine’s military this summer. By the end, Shalamaha was working alongside commanders of other brigades expected to fight in the counteroffensive, coordinating their actions to test how they’d work together on the battlefield.

Others in the 47th brigade received training specific to the weapons or vehicles they’d be receiving, first learning the basics of how to operate them, then how to incorporate them as a single battle unit and then alongside other units.

A 32-year-old private whose call sign is Luke said he remained in touch with some of the American instructors he met. Sometimes he asks for advice or to review some of the things they taught him.

“In Germany, they really gave us a good chance to feel how it’s going to be,” Luke said. “As a team leader, I can command like five to seven people. But when it gets to be more than that, you really do need more practice. And then you’re trying to organize a whole battalion to move at the same time and everybody has to know what they’re doing. It’s really, really difficult.

The 47th brigade started as a battalion that Shalamaha and Valerii Markus, a famous veteran and author with more than 450,000 Instagram followers, were charged with creating. It eventually grew to a full-fledged brigade intended to break through enemy lines.

“I realized that there was indeed an opportunity to create something — something interesting, something important, which could then grow into something much bigger,” Markus said.

“When I joined the army 12 years ago, I encountered a lot of things that disappointed me very much, that made me hate the army,” he added. “When I received this offer, I saw it as an opportunity to build a unit in which I would have liked to serve 12 years ago.”

Though still unproven on the battlefield, the 47th brigade is armed almost entirely with Western weapons and, in a first, nearly every one of the unit’s soldiers has undergone a weeks-long course with foreign instructors. The 47th’s leadership is also especially young — all born after the fall of the Soviet Union. Alongside Shalamaha, who is 25, Lt. Col. Oleksandr Sak, the brigade’s top commander, is 28. Markus, the chief master sergeant, is 29.

“We are the young generation,” Shalamaha said. “We still have our whole lives ahead of us, and we are now fighting for this state which we want to see for ourselves, for our children, grandchildren, and so on.”

But the biggest change? They didn’t just accept anyone, interviewing every soldier who wanted to join the brigade. Commanders questioned each person’s motivation and readiness. Every candidate had to pass a physical fitness test.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21024 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:54 am to
A couple of thoughts from the WaPo article:

1) The Ukrainian offensive is clearly about to start. Moving units like this near the front line is about as clear of a signal as you can get.

2) There really couldn't be a stronger contrast between units such as this one, and the brigades that have been defending Bakhmut with mobilized guys who got three days of basic training and are using 50-year-old Soviet weapons.

3) We are finally about to see something approaching how a NATO army would fight. This brigade lacks the experienced leadership and long-term training that a NATO army would have, but it is fully kitted out with NATO weapons and trained in NATO tactics. I'm fascinated to see how it performs.

4) My confidence in the success of this Ukrainian offensive continues to grow.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21181 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:07 am to
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which was eventually determined to be the blue and yellow flag of Russia's own Aerospace Forces.


Today I learned Russia, China, and Iran all had space forces before us. Great cast of characters to emulate.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21024 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:14 am to
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Initially reported as the suburbs of Shebekino, but this is in Novaya Tavolzhanka. The location is located 1 km from the Russian-Ukrainian border. Footage from a drone of the Russian Volunteer Corps / Freedom of Russia Legion, showing their forces moving around the town.


Also, they posted proof that they are again operating inside Russia. It would appear that, again, they bypassed the defenses of Belgorod Oblast that cost 10 billion rubles by ... simply taking the border checkpoint.

Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:17 am to
Agree with you on all points.

This up coming offensive is going to be very closely watched as it’s the first real test of NATO war fighting doctrine.

I am trying to temper my expectations; however, I have said before that I think Ukraine is going to rofl stomp the Russians.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:21 am to
That math works out to 22,816 dead Russians to 3,042 Ukrainians if that is true it explains why Ukraine didn’t pull out.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 8:14 am to
New video from Ukraine dropped today asking for silence online. Watch to the very end.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1665336600409022470?s=61&t=_9tcV0Sr_TllH-Yfk47E9Q

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Ukraine asks us to not spoil the offensive plan... and at the end of this video spoils the newest toy ?? Ukraine received.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21024 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 8:26 am to
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I am trying to temper my expectations; however, I have said before that I think Ukraine is going to rofl stomp the Russians.



I try to think in probabilities. My own guesses as to the chances in the next two months (I have no military expertise, and these guesses are worth what you paid for them):

- 40% - Ukraine routs Russian troops and achieves its strategic objective of reaching the Sea of Azov and/or the Crimean border.

- 40% - Ukraine has moderate success, but does not fully achieve key strategic objectives. An example: Ukraine takes Tokmak and the nuclear plant in the south and Svatove in the northeast and retakes Bakhmut, but then the offensive stalls.

- 20% - Ukraine experiences strategic failure and only makes marginal gains. An example of this would be if Ukraine only took one of the four in the previous scenario.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 9:17 am to
Latest Perun regarding the escalation ladder and how Russia has crawfished consistently.

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