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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/4/23 at 9:19 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 9:19 am to
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BREAKING: Battles with Ukrainian saboteurs are taking place in Novaya Tavolzhanka, #Belgorod region, Governor says - TASS


LINK

Never seen this account before so take with a heavy grain of salt

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BELGOROD PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC IS EXPANDING!

“Already at least 4 towns have come under the control of the RDK and the Legion of Free Russia.

The Kremlin does NOT control these territories.

There are battles for Moore, Nekhotevka, Zibrovka, Arkhangelsk, Novaya Tavolzhanka, Shchebekino, Rzhevka, Nezhgolsk and Voznesenovka.”

Long live the free Belgorod People’s Republic!

LINK

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RVC and the Legion "Freedom of russia" summon the governor of Belgorod region for negotiations

russian insurgents announced that they had captured soldiers of the russian army and wanted to exchange them for a few minutes of communication with the governor.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 9:43 am to
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This up coming offensive is going to be very closely watched as it’s the first real test of NATO war fighting doctrine.





Here is how we do that, you have a NATO overall commander who is the face of the Operation but make no mistake the US war gammed and planned the Operation.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:05 am to
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The talking heads on Skabeeva's show recognize the dilemma Chromdome pointed out and they see exactly how dire it is as I mentioned the splitting of finite resources.

Olga says they must destroy every living thing in the Kharkiv region which I assume translates to oblast.

Olga said, "The Ukrainian question must be solved once and for all."

Sound familiar?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4690 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:06 am to
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Ukrainian-backed Russian fighters remain in the Russian town of Novaya Tavolzhanka and have taken POWs. The psychological impact of that is hard to overestimate. The governor has offered to meet them to take back the POWs, Prigozhin has also offered to send an aide.

LINK

ETA
Tweet to governors response
quote:

The Russian governor hinted that Russian prisoners would most likely be killed by the Russian FSB, now shelling Russian partisans, and said that he hoped they would destroy everyone, but agreed to a meeting.


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This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 11:08 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:22 am to
On the one hand, people say SR is purely playing a character. On the other, people actively engage with said character
Posted by facher08
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Member since Aug 2011
6139 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:32 am to
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Winston, instead of just shite posting, why don't you EXPLAIN why he's delusional.


Why don't you stop responding to him? You know he's a troll. I don't understand why you guys want to entertain them so badly.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 11:33 am
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5991 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 1:34 pm to
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Ukrainian-backed Russian fighters remain in the Russian town of Novaya Tavolzhanka and have taken POWs


What a wild turn of events it will be when Syrians do in fact make it to the battlefield of this conflict . . . and fight in Russian oblasts fomenting a Russian civil war.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 1:38 pm to
Interesting thread from Gen. Mark Hertling:

LINK

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The upcoming Ukraine operation will be challenging & tough. UAF will be on a large offensive w/ new equipment going against RU defensive positions that have been reinforced for 6 months.

But without trained & well-led soldiers overwatching obstacles, RU defenses are useless.

Any attacking force is either “force” or “terrain” oriented.

That is, they are either given a mission to 1. attack an enemy force to destroy/defeat it, or 2. To seize ground (capture areas, interfere w/ enemy movement/resupply, regain desired terrain for future operations)

The upcoming UKR offensive, IMHO, will have elements of both.

What will be interesting is to see how the UAF have “task organized” (that is, places different equipment & types of units) in which areas of the front.

This is a hedge, but there is potential for several approaches:
-multiple efficient & effective combined arms “heavy” units conducting breaches & bypasses of RU defenses in key areas, regaining a lot of ground w/ SOF & territorials striking in the rear areas.

-a more methodical breach operations, massing heavy (armored) forces in fewer areas, with the idea of breaking through the front & breaking supply lines & encircling RU forces, while other “lighter” (infantry in “battlefield taxis”) break through & seize key terrain.

-multiple axis of advance across the front with smaller armor & light forces threatening several areas, with a large reserve ready to exploit success.

Those - and perhaps a few others I could provide but won’t - are all potential courses of action (COA’s)

But now, I’ll repeat what I’ve said so many times before:
-any of these COAs require extensive preparation of routes, synchronization of units, and intelligence/reconnaissance
-MOST IMPORTANTLY, all require extensive resupply & logistics planning and execution.

None of us - NONE - know how this will occur, or when, or with what forces, or which branches & sequels follow, or the results.

At the beginning of this war, in Feb 22, I found it easy to predict UAF would persevere.

I don’t have a clue what will happen next.

But I do believe Ukraine will retake ground and will continue to persevere.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8657 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:21 pm to
You fight harder when your back is against the wall and there’s nowhere to retreat to. Much will depend on how well separate Ukrainian forces can operate in sync with each other but in the end when the rubber meets the road the question of which side wants it more can make a huge difference. You just can’t tell me some uneducated 45 year old Russian conscript from Russia’s backwood or 19 year old kid who has no idea why he’s there us going to want it more than Ukrainians fighting on their own land.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:20 pm to
LINK

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The governor didn’t show up. In a new video, the Russian anti-Putin fighters showed 12 POWs taken in Belgorod, some of them injured, and said they will be transferred to Ukraine for future exchanges. And they also praised Prigozhin


Twelve POWs taken inside Russia is significant.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:31 pm to
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Never seen this account before so take with a heavy grain of salt

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BELGOROD PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC IS EXPANDING!

“Already at least 4 towns have come under the control of the RDK and the Legion of Free Russia.

The Kremlin does NOT control these territories.

There are battles for Moore, Nekhotevka, Zibrovka, Arkhangelsk, Novaya Tavolzhanka, Shchebekino, Rzhevka, Nezhgolsk and Voznesenovka.”

Long live the free Belgorod People’s Republic!


While the newest attack on Novaya Tavolzhanka is seeing wide spread reporting across both sides I would not place too much reliance on Jason's posts, he is known to amplify accounts that post bad information.

quote:

Most informative account on Twitter:
@ChuckPfarrer

There has not been a single day of the war that I have not learned something new thanks to Chuck’s hard work.


https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1664824158859960326

While Chuck's technical stuff is pretty good, most of his OSINT is bollocks.

In my view Jason is firmly in the court of Ukrainian propaganda peddler - a Ukrainian leaning version of @Sprinter99880.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:45 pm to
Vlad done snapped

Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:47 pm to
This looks like it could be an interesting week given the last week of Russian incursions, the heightened deep strikes, and the way the information space is being prepared.

https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1665368742354731045

Say what you will about Ukraine, their propaganda videos are always quality.


Edit:
There is also a claim that the video was broadcast over Crimean T.v. - See further comments in NOelreports thread and also link below.

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1665412144995680258



This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:54 pm to
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1665454131069239296

Latest Tik Tok Brigade video at link
quote:

Kadyrov appealed to Putin to send Chechen units to the Bilhorod region.

"To eliminate a gang on Russian territory without consequences for the civilian population and infrastructure, special knowledge and training is required. Not only military experience is needed here, but also anti-terrorist experience," he said.

This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:01 pm to
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1665404335700713475
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Shebekino (and surrounding settlements) were absolutely pounded today. Hard to imagine what the game plan here is for authorities in #Belgorod.

Crackdown and pull troops from Donbas or leave things as they are and have border towns turned to ruble? No easy answer.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:10 pm to
I think it may be a bit premature to call this a new front line, but the longer this lasts, the more likely it becomes one. There is no doubt now, that this is the opening of the ground phase of the offensive. Ultimately this is a feint, one Russia can't afford to not crush quickly.

https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1665411703721410560

quote:

What looked like a limited diversion activity has now turned into a 230 km front line.


Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
73977 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:14 pm to
One has to wonder what sort of forces Russia has here. Apparently not much.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:46 pm to
Belgorod isn’t very far away, it’s been used all war as a staging and logistics center. There has to be a fairly high number of Russian units in the area for refitting and in reserve.

ETA: if there aren’t what does that say?
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:47 pm to
Seems Wagner is starting to throw some serious weight around if this is true - Video in link below.

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PMC Wagner detained and interrogated no other but the commander of the 72nd Brigade, Roman Venevitin. Wagner and the 72nd Brigade shared positions in Bakhmut.

They detained the man, beat him, broke his nose, and forced to record a video admitting to firing at a car of PMC Wagner due to "personal animosity" towards them.

They accuse him of being drunk while doing so, speaking to him as if he is a subordinate. This is a complete demoralisation of the Russian Armed Forces who should not be any close to tolerating such behaviour of a PMC.


https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1665472757696528386 - Video
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:52 pm to
That is crazy if it’s real!

A good question posed by war translated…wtf is up with the Russians?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1665463560158281728?s=46&t=iUvs7rWg8aY1BNuaLnpUwQ

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Let's be honest, this is not a position the attacking side wants to find itself in. You exhausted all your offensive potential, you're bracing for an ever-increasing likelihood of a major defensive battle with forces very different from what you had at the peak, all while the enemy is making significant moves in your vulnerable underbelly at your pre-war borders. Things indeed seem so bad that I sometimes think they are giving up on purpose. Their channels are all just sharing each other's statements about the "nazis", it's so much cope and zero substance, no clear military narrative. Prigozhin is the only one appearing in public but he's hardly convincing or reassuring, just trolling. I think Russia could be at the negotiating table right now begging Ukraine and the Allies to agree to peace conditions in order to have a chance to save the country. And this is just how things are right this moment, before anything that's coming has happened... (which I have no insights into).
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 4:54 pm
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