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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:26 pm to
I expect Ukraine to attack in a number of areas, just as Russia did in its offensive. This will fix Russian forces and prevent Russia from redeploying troops to defend in any one area.

Remember that this is precisely why Ukraine was able to successfully execute the Kharkiv offensive last fall: Russia had pulled too many troops from that area and sent them to Kherson, which left it vulnerable.

But the 40,000 troops in the new brigades, together with the Leopards, Bradleys, Archers, Strykers, etc.? The power of those strike forces will not be diluted, but will rather be used in mutually supporting attacks along one general part of the front.

That area is likely to be the Zaporizhzhia region in the south for several reasons:

1) It is a challenge for Russia to supply well. Supplies have to come in by train from Crimea, or by road from Mariupol, and both of these routes are subject to interdiction.

2) If Ukraine can cut that "land bridge," then the rest of Russian control in the south will collapse, again because of supply. If, for example, Ukraine reaches the Sea of Azov south of Melitopol, it will quickly force Russia to abandon southern Kherson (Russia will retreat from that area to Crimea) and back to Mariupol in the east of that area.

3) Assuming that Ukraine is given longer-range weapons, control of southern Zaporizhzhia will enable Ukraine to isolate Crimea. Much of northern Crimea comes into regular HIMARS range at this point, but GLSDB could hit Kerch and Saki Air Base. If, as is widely believed, the UK is giving Storm Shadow missiles to Ukraine, then they can hit Sevastopol. And the ability to besiege Crimea could be decisive.

4) If a drive to the Sea of Azov is successful, Ukraine could then turn its strike force east towards Mariupol. If Ukraine were able to capture Mariupol, it might also be a decisive battle, as the loss would be incredibly traumatic for Russia.



A Ukrainian victory in another area of the front would help them, to be sure, but would not prove decisive. That's why Russia has been laying mines, building trenches and laying dragon's teeth like crazy in the Zaporizhzhia region. That, in turn, is why NATO countries have recently given Ukraine a great deal of combat engineering equipment, including a lot of mine-clearing equipment and armored bridgelayers.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:50 pm to
The greatest love affair the world has ever seen: a Russian tanker and his Kontakt-5 ERA.

Posted by LSU7096
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 11:05 pm to
They shouldn't trust us blindly

We screwed them in to 90' when the nukes were taken.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 11:08 pm to
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They shouldn't trust us blindly We screwed them in to 90' when the nukes were taken.


They screwed their self. WE shouldn’t be involved in this as WE have NO obligation to do so. If YOU feel differently, strap those boots up and get over there.

Why should we trust them?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:25 am to
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The greatest love affair the world has ever seen: a Russian tanker and his Kontakt-5 ERA.
Interesting application. Will the reactive armor perform effectively against non-penetrative ATGM's such as the Javelins? I wonder if they tested this first. One thing for sure, no infantry will be riding on top of that tank...
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 5:44 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 10 April 2023

Over the last seven days, Russia has likely increased its armoured assaults around the Donetsk Oblast town of Marinka, 20km south-west of Donetsk city.

Marinka has been fought over since 2014 and has been largely destroyed by artillery exchanges. It commands the approaches to Donetsk and the key H15 road.

Russia continues to give a high priority to resourcing operations in the broader Donetsk sector, including the Marinka and Avdiivka areas, expending significant resources for minimal gains.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 6:15 am to
ISW

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ISW is publishing a special edition campaign assessment today, April 9. This report discusses Russia’s religious repressions throughout occupied Ukraine since the start of the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Russia continues to weaponize religion in an effort to discredit Ukraine in the international arena and is using information operations about religion to advance military objectives despite itself committing gross violations of religious freedom in occupied Ukraine. Russia may use the upcoming Orthodox Easter holiday on April 16 in an effort to delay Ukrainian counteroffensives by calling for a ceasefire out of respect for the Orthodox religion despite the fact that Russia has shown no such respect for religion in areas its forces occupy. Russian religious persecutions are likely also part of an ongoing Russian cultural genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign aimed at extirpating the idea of an independent Ukrainian nationality or Ukrainian Orthodox Church.


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Russian occupation authorities are likely conducting a campaign of systematic religious persecution in occupied Ukraine.?Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 Russian soldiers or occupations authorities have reportedly committed at least 76 acts of religious persecution in Ukraine.[1]?Russian authorities have closed, nationalized, or forcefully converted at least 26 places of worship to the Kremlin-controlled Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, killed or seized at least 29 clergy or religious leaders, and looted, desecrated, or deliberately destroyed at least 13 places of worship in occupied Ukraine


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Russian authorities systematically repress religious liberty in Russia as a matter of state policy.?Russian President Vladimir Putin ratified the “Yarovaya Law” in 2016 requiring all religious organizations and churches in Russia to be registered with the Russian government. The law bans “missionary activities,” broadly defined as preaching, praying, disseminating religious materials, and even answering questions about religion outside of officially state-approved sites under the pretense of precautions against “extremism” and “terrorism.”[5]?The Russian government refuses to register undesirable religious organizations it seeks to suppress


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Russia is exporting its state policies of systematic religious persecution to Russian-occupied Ukraine.?The Kremlin annexed Russian-controlled portions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts on September 30, 2022, recognizing them as Russian federal subjects.[11]?Russian authorities enforce Russian federal laws – including the Yarovaya and other “anti-extremist” laws – in Russian-occupied Ukraine. Russia’s Prosecutor General’s Office declared four evangelical Christian groups from Latvia and Ukraine "undesirable" organizations in 2021, effectively banning the organizations in Russia.


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Russian occupation officials have been repressing Ukrainian religious communities in proxy republics in eastern Ukraine and in illegally occupied Crimea since 2014. Former Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Oleksandr Zakharchenko declared in May 2015 that Ukrainian Orthodox Church (OCU) members, Greek Catholics, and Evangelical Christians were “sectarians” within the DNR


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Moscow’s religious persecution campaign seeks to eradicate the Autocephalous (independent) Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU), which Moscow views as schismatic despite the decision by the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople in 2019 granting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church its independence from the Moscow Patriarchate.


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Russian occupation forces have also targeted other denominations that are distinctly culturally Ukrainian.?Russian forces captured two Ukrainian Greek Catholic priests in Berdyansk in November 2022, deporting them and effectively closing the main Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Melitopol in December 2022.


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Russia’s campaign also represses Ukraine's Protestant minority.?Available open-source reporting indicates that the most common victims of Russian religious persecution after Ukrainian Orthodox are Protestants, particularly evangelical Baptists.


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Witness reports indicate that Russian soldiers’ conduct towards Protestants in occupied Ukraine is brutal


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Russia’s systematic religious persecution supports a larger Russian campaign of cultural genocide against Ukraine.


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The Kremlin continues an information operation aimed at falsely portraying Russia as a religiously tolerant state while deliberately repressing religious freedoms in Ukraine.?Putin consistently presents Russia as the defender of traditional “Christian values” that also supports Orthodox, Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism religions.[37]?The Kremlin uses this information operation to accuse Ukraine of religious intolerance towards the Moscow Patriarchate and gain favor with religious communities worldwide. This information operation is at odds with Russian religious repressions on the ground. The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration’s indicated that Russians have reduced religious diversity by over 50 percent in Crimea, for example.[38]?The Kremlin continues to use long-standing false narratives that the Ukrainian government is oppressing religious liberties as a moral justification for its refusal to negotiate with Ukraine, likely in the hopes of turning international public opinion against Ukraine


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The UOC MP is not an independent religious organization but rather an extension of the Russian state and an instrument of Russian hybrid warfare....?Russia will continue to weaponize the UOC MP and religion to incite social tensions in Ukraine and influence battlefield realities.


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The Kremlin may call for a ceasefire around Orthodox Easter on April 16 as it did for Orthodox Christmas in January 2023.[47]?The Kremlin has selectively called for ceasefires around religious holidays to influence the situation on the frontlines. The Kremlin, for example, refused a ceasefire during Orthodox Easter of 2022” "in order not to give the Kyiv nationalists a break" during the Battle of Mariupol...Putin may call for a ceasefire to frame Ukraine as unaccommodating and unwilling to take the necessary steps towards negotiations.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 6:15 am to
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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on April 9:

Russian sources reacted with outrage to Russian authorities charging “Union of Donbas Volunteers” member Yuri Yevich with discrediting Russian forces.[53]?Russian sources claimed that Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs officials accused Yevich of delivering a tactical medicine class to Rosgvardia employees that negatively portrayed Russian forces in Ukraine.[54]

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin directly criticized the Russian Foreign Ministry’s approach to Russia’s presidency of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) and offered his own list of agenda items for the UNSC, likely a demonstrative act aimed at supporting his standing in the Russian ultranationalist community and furthering his oblique efforts to portray himself as a suitable president of Russia at some point in the future.[55]

Ukrainian Joint Press Center of the Tavriisk Direction Head Colonel Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi stated that Russian forces have concentrated 113 battalion tactical groups (BTGs) in the Zaporizhia direction and 205 BTGs in the Donetsk direction.[56]

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.[57]?Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Serhiy Cherevaty stated that seven engagements occurred in these directions.[58]

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks in and around Bakhmut, and on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.[59]?Cherevaty stated that Russian Airborne (VDV) forces have appeared in Bakhmut.[60]?Russian forces likely made marginal gains in southern Bakhmut on April 9.[61]

A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted a reconnaissance-in-force operation in western Zaporizhia Oblast.[62]

Head of the independent Russian human rights organization “Rus Sidyashchaya” (Russia Behind Bars) Olga Romanova claimed on April 8 that convict recruits have begun signing 18-month contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).[63]

Russian occupation officials are likely continuing to use medical relocation schemes to deport Ukrainian children to Russia. Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Head Leonid Pasechnik claimed that Russian medical specialists have examined more than 94,000 children in Luhansk Oblast and that occupation officials have sent thousands of children from Luhansk Oblast to Russian federal clinics, the majority of which are likely in Russia.[64]??
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 6:25 am to
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Available open-source reporting indicates that the most common victims of Russian religious persecution after Ukrainian Orthodox are Protestants, particularly evangelical Baptists.


I'm really glad to see ISW focusing on this today. As a Baptist who knows people who have worked in Ukraine, persecution of Ukrainian Baptists in Russian-occupied Ukraine is the main reason that I care so much about the war.

As extensive as today's ISW report was on Russian religious repression, there are even more horrible details that they left out, such as the forced closure of 42 Baptist churches in Luhansk after Russia occupied the area in 2014, or the official designation of the Evangelical Baptist Union of Ukraine as a terrorist organization.

I think that few people in the US know that, after the UK, the European country with the most Baptists per capita is Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 6:36 am to
CNN article on the leak. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, but I am only quoting stuff that pertains to Ukraine that we haven't previously discussed.

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Ukraine has already altered some of its military plans because of the leak, a source close to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told CNN.


In case some of you are still thinking that there's a chance that the Ukrainian spring offensive would happen in Bakhmut or anywhere else in the Donbas:

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The official also pointed out that it was alarming to see one of the documents from February titled “Russia-Ukraine: Battle for the Donbas Region Likely Heading for a Stalemate Throughout 2023.” The document notes the challenges with assessing the “endurance of Ukraine’s operations.”

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March.

One document reveals that the US has been spying on Zelensky. That is unsurprising, said the source close to Zelensky, but Ukrainian officials are deeply frustrated about the leak.

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Another classified document, also sourced to signals intelligence, offers a window into how the US assesses its allies’ policies – and how the US can exert its influence to change them.

The document, titled “Israel: Pathways to Providing Lethal Aid to Ukraine,” says Jerusalem “likely will consider providing lethal aid under increased US pressure or a perceived degradation” in its relationship with Russia.

Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:06 am to
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One document reveals that the US has been spying on Zelensky. That is unsurprising, said the source close to Zelensky, but Ukrainian officials are deeply frustrated about the leak.

We spy on the heads of State of the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia, etc.

Unsurprising? This should not be even a footnote.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:44 am to
Washington Post on Ukrainian recruitment and training:

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KYIV, Ukraine — The men in uniform could show up almost anywhere, any time.

They knock on civilians’ front doors and randomly stop them on street corners, handing out draft papers that can turn lives upside down.

Ukraine needs more soldiers — and fast.
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And the pace and aggression with which officials are now calling on civilian men to report to military offices — or sign up on their own — are sowing panic among those who feel unprepared or unwilling to serve.
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Previously, officials could only deliver draft papers to people’s homes, and some avoided the notices by staying at different addresses than where they are officially registered. But new rules have widened the scope of places where men can be stopped and questioned about their draft status.

Don't get into a fight on the street in Kyiv, like this guy
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Oleksii Kruchukov, 46, a washing machine repairman waiting in line outside a recruitment office in Kyiv, said he was ordered to report there after police broke up a fight he got into on the street. He did not have any valid military exemptions and said he expected that the incident will result in him soon being sent to training, and then the front.

Oleksandr Kostiuk, 52, a road repairman who helped set up barriers against Russian forces around Kyiv last year, recently received his notice via his human resources department at work. He is willing to go to the front if he has to — but fears for his safety. “Now we understand what’s going on, so I’m more nervous,” he said.

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Thousands of other civilians are preempting such situations, instead signing up in droves for a force called the Offensive Guard — made up of eight new assault brigades.

Some are responding to the posters plastered across the country’s highways calling on civilians to join — and “turn your rage into a weapon.” The young men may have recently turned 18 and now qualify, or have cleared up family obligations that previously stopped them from joining. Others hope enlisting of their own accord will give them better training and prestige than if they were drafted.

Recruits attend shooting practice at an Azov Brigade training camp outside Kyiv on March 24.
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Since early February, more than 5,000 people have applied to join what was formerly known as the Azov Battalion, a controversial former right-wing militia that was incorporated into Ukraine’s national guard. Last year, the battle-hardened group was hailed as heroic for withstanding a months-long siege of the southeastern city of Mariupol.

Then, in February, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry announced that Azov would be expanded into an assault brigade as part of the new Offensive Guard.

Under its rules, Azov only accepts those who sign up of their own accord — not draftees — and it reserves the right to reject people whom it does not believe will be a good fit, which it says allows it to select the most motivated soldiers. Azov has launched a massive recruitment campaign for its new status as a brigade, with many of its men who were captured in Mariupol last year and eventually released now training recruits.

Other civilians, unwilling to enlist just yet but preparing in case they are called up, are attending private trainings or workout sessions so that when the time comes, they are not starting from scratch.

“I’m 100 percent sure I’ll be drafted sooner or later,” Sasha, the casting director informally training with friends in the capital, said. Despite having taken a military course at university that would technically qualify him to serve as an officer in the army, he could barely handle a weapon until recently. Now he believes his civilian days are numbered, “especially with the counteroffensive everyone is waiting for,” and he has enrolled in training.

“I’m literally forcing myself because I understand it might happen,” he said.


A young man takes part in a private training session lead by a Ukrainian active-duty serviceman in a warehouse in Kyiv on March 26.
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Meanwhile, at a training camp in the Kyiv region, new Azov recruits lined up at a shooting range, learning to use C7A1 rifles. One of their trainers, a Russian-speaking former American Marine who joined Azov and goes by the call sign Frodo, said that “the majority of these guys a month ago were civilians.” One sat against a wall, studying a translated U.S. military handbook.

That they were motivated enough to sign up on their own means they act more like “warriors than soldiers,” Frodo said.

The training condenses the roughly three-month U.S. Marine Corps basic training into just four weeks, he said. During that time, the troops learn everything from marksmanship and cartography to radios and engineering. It’s possible — likely even — they could then be deployed almost immediately to the country’s hottest front lines.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:57 am to
Lots of rain this week, and then a dry week with no rain for everything to start drying out.

Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:57 am to
The long range forecasts here aren’t worth the time it takes to read it. Maybe they are more accurate in Ukraine????
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:01 am to
It seems like a recipe for disaster to throw hordes of untested soldiers into the mix right at the point of a decisive counter attack. The short training cycle and the lack of battle hardening seem like they should be augmented with rotation into quiet sectors of the front to let the men get used to combat.

One of the things I noted from historical battle accounts is that untested men will fail to engage the an enemy, fail to advance, or flee when confronted by a stiff defense. Surely the Ukrainians are considering this.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 10:39 am to
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It seems like a recipe for disaster to throw hordes of untested soldiers into the mix right at the point of a decisive counter attack. The short training cycle and the lack of battle hardening seem like they should be augmented with rotation into quiet sectors of the front to let the men get used to combat.


That's one of several reasons that some experts I've read are suggesting that we won't initially see ONE, sudden spring offensive, but rather a series of attacks in different areas along a broad front in the south.

The idea is that Ukraine could use HIMARS and other longer-range assets to degrade supply to the front all along the south, even as Ukraine makes small gains in various areas as they hunt for weak spots.

But I also don't think that all the soldiers in these new strike units are green. Another article that I read indicated that a number of them were men who had already served a 6-month enlistment, had taken a break from service, and were now re-enlisting in these new strike units.

That the thing that it's easy to forget: Ukraine has lots of men who have fought who aren't currently in the armed forces. In the first few weeks of the war, Ukraine handed out guns to everyone who wanted one and promised to use it, and territorial defense units were originally ad-hoc and without a formal structure.

There are still groups of men who are informally connected to various armed units and fight for Ukraine at times -- without officially being in the Ukrainian armed forces. There was a lot of discussion about this a month or so ago, during the James Vasquez saga, because that's what he was apparently doing (occasionally fighting with some other volunteers).

It might be that, inside these new brigades, Ukraine is putting together some units of experienced soldiers, possibly transferring in men from other units.

That same article that I mentioned a couple of paragraphs above also noted a number of policemen in the strike units, and while police service is not a true proxy for combat, I would think that those men would be much more ready than other civilians.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:00 am to
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Other civilians, unwilling to enlist just yet but preparing in case they are called up, are attending private trainings or workout sessions so that when the time comes, they are not starting from scratch.


This seems odd. I'm going to get ready to fight but only when I randomly get drafted? If I was going to spend time and money on this I'd just as soon sign up.

Also sad to see Ukraine have to resort to some of the same Russian recruiting methods, but at least some civilians seem more open to it than in Russia I guess?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:35 am to
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This seems odd. I'm going to get ready to fight but only when I randomly get drafted?


That's because, while the Washington Post article showed the quality training that new volunteers in the strike units were getting, they didn't mention the horrible 3-day trainings that some mobilized men got before they were send to die defending Bakhmut.

Remember the article from a few weeks ago, when we read about a lieutenant leading men in very basic infantry drills with airsoft guns during downtime, because the men got to Bakhmut with zero training? When an officer talked about men so green that one didn't fire his weapon in combat because he was afraid of the loud sound?

It's something that we've talked about before: the Ukrainian army is really two armies in one right now: one is a Soviet army that does stupid stuff in stupid ways, and the other is a modern NATO army that does elite things.

Honestly, if I lived in Kyiv, I would probably pay for those classes. If I were suddenly mobilized and sent to Bakhmut with three days training, I'd want the best chance to survive.
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 11:36 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:44 am to
Meteorologist David Helms with another observation:

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Vegetation growth will provide significant overhead concealment in 2-3 weeks and complete concealment in 5-6 weeks where trees and shrubbery exist.


Drones have been extremely effective over the winter, and they will become less so soon. I think that thermal drones will be increasingly valuable.
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:46 am to
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I think that thermal drones will be increasingly valuable.


Where have these things been in the last month or so? We had that one great video of a few drones wrecking stuff at night and then nothing else. I would have thought those would have been all over the front line areas continuing to do that at night.
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