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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:18 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 4/9/23 at 4:18 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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quote:The US never retook Truk, Wake or invaded Formosa. That was my point.
Thought that’s what you were trying to say.
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Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:41 pm to StormyMcMan
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BREAKING: Europe must reduce its dependency on the US and avoid getting dragged into a confrontation between China and the US over Taiwan, French President Macron says - Politico
That’s rich coming from the French of all people.
I try to keep my thoughts on this in check, but it’s hard not to feel like our grasp on global hegemony is slipping. Obviously these things take a lot of time and usually a massive war, but we’ve taken a lot of blows in the last 15-30 days. And no, I don’t think it’s all because we’re in Ukraine.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 5:50 pm to DabosDynasty
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I try to keep my thoughts on this in check, but it’s hard not to feel like our grasp on global hegemony is slipping. Obviously these things take a lot of time and usually a massive war, but we’ve taken a lot of blows in the last 15-30 days. And no, I don’t think it’s all because we’re in Ukraine.
And that is a key reason that Russia needs to decisively lose this war.
Right now, we have to look the other way when so-called allies such as France and Saudi Arabia do anti-American crap, because our foreign policy focus right now is on Ukraine.
The sooner that Russia loses this war and the US can squeeze other nations who do this kind of crap, the better for us in the long run.
I'm also reading a lot of commentary today about the Australian decision to break their contract for French-built diesel submarines, and the subsequent deal to invest $100 billion in US-built nuclear subs.
People are either blaming the deal for France cozying up to Xi, or they are saying "this is why it was good to break that deal." Maybe the truth is a little of both.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And that is a key reason that Russia needs to decisively lose this war.
Don’t disagree. My stance on supporting Ukraine hasn’t changed. My stance on us doing everything we can to build the Poles up to be the stalwart in Europe with strong support from the Baltics and an independent Ukraine has now grown even more. We very much need to build that eastern bloc.
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Right now, we have to look the other way when so-called allies such as France and Saudi Arabia do anti-American crap, because our foreign policy focus right now is on Ukraine.
The sooner that Russia loses this war and the US can squeeze other nations who do this kind of crap, the better for us in the long run.
We could start by fixing our own domestic crap that correlates to foreign policy like energy policy. Cut the shite with this all electric vehicles by 2035 or whatever. Cut the shite with limiting domestic energy production and export for any reason. We should be giving hard assurances to O&G its here to stay and stop demonizing them publicly and with policy. Invest in new refineries to refine our grade (someone correct me on the proper O&G term) of oil to reduce reliance on imports that later become gasoline.
Ramp up defense production appropriate to the reality we’re facing with increasing odds of real hot conflict, potentially globally.
Get our house in order fiscally to reduce exposure to our enemies’ economic & political moves.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And that is a key reason that Russia needs to decisively lose this war.
Right now, we have to look the other way when so-called allies such as France and Saudi Arabia do anti-American crap, because our foreign policy focus right now is on Ukraine.
I can't follow that line of reasoning at all. This administration can't do their jobs and maintain relationships with allies because of the war in Ukraine? The US is run by absolute morons at almost every level of the federal government and it becomes more apparent by the day, domestically & internationally. I can't blame any country that is starting to reevaluate their relationship with the US, we're not a serious country right now.
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The sooner that Russia loses this war and the US can squeeze other nations who do this kind of crap
Yet another reason everybody hates us.
This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:28 pm to DabosDynasty
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We could start by fixing our own domestic crap that correlates to foreign policy like energy policy. Cut the shite with this all electric vehicles by 2035 or whatever. Cut the shite with limiting domestic energy production and export for any reason. We should be giving hard assurances to O&G its here to stay and stop demonizing them publicly and with policy. Invest in new refineries to refine our grade (someone correct me on the proper O&G term) of oil to reduce reliance on imports that later become gasoline.
Ramp up defense production appropriate to the reality we’re facing with increasing odds of real hot conflict, potentially globally.
Get our house in order fiscally to reduce exposure to our enemies’ economic & political moves.
100% agree with this.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:41 pm to TexasForever
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The sooner that Russia loses this war and the US can squeeze other nations who do this kind of crap
Yet another reason everybody hates us.
How about you list all those countries that are worth more than a can of beans that "hates" us.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:44 pm to TexasForever
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I can't follow that line of reasoning at all.
Russia is an ally of China, Iran, and North Korea, and those four nations combined make up 80% of our foreign policy headaches.
Russia is also the ally of Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua, who make up another 10% and dump millions of illegals across our southern border to destabilize us.
Any rational look at our foreign policy situation indicates that, once the Russo-Ukrainian war started, we need to make sure that Russia loses it.
But when we are asking the rest of the world for favors in the war in Ukraine, we can't afford to anger them in other ways.
So, Saudi Arabia reopens diplomatic relations with Iran, in a deal negotiated with China, and we say nothing because we don't want to anger the Saudis and have them cut oil production more and help Russia with higher oil prices.
If we are asking Macron to supply Ukraine with Mirage fighters, as I believe that we are doing, then we say nothing when Macron says this stupid crap about Europe needing autonomy and not getting pulled into the American conflict with China.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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GOP_Tiger
Fair enough, I disagree with some of it but I see your point of view.
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Russia is also the ally of Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua, who make up another 10% and dump millions of illegals across our southern border to destabilize us.
This kind of stuff could easily be handled domestically and this administration just isn't interested in fixing it.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 6:52 pm to TexasForever
I'm seeing on Russian channels that the close quarter fighting around the train station in Bakhmut right now is as intense as it has been at any point in the battle. Apparently elite units from both sides are involved and both are taking heavy casualties.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:05 pm to TexasForever
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Yet another reason everybody hates us.
I know we can do better with foreign policy, but it seems we will always have countries that hate us and nothing will change that.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:06 pm to notiger1997
Rather them respect us than like us.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 7:08 pm to jeffsdad
It appears they do not respect us currently. Saudis, Chinese, French, etc. The change in that is better suited for the PT though so I won’t elaborate.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:36 pm to DabosDynasty
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DabosDynasty
The French have always wanted to go their own way.
Been that way since DeGaulle.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:43 pm to BambiisDead
So where do we think the counter offensive will come from? Bakhmut? Kherson?
Ive seen reports of Ukrainian troops near both.
Ive seen reports of Ukrainian troops near both.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:55 pm to BambiisDead
I still feel like they’ve been holding as long as possible in Bakhmut to potentially catch the Russians rushing in after collapse to start the offensive. Could be wrong and have no military experience to base it on. Just what I’ve been wondering for a while now.
Maybe it’s this simultaneously with a push south through Zaporizhzhia to Melitopol to create a large wedge between Crimea and Mariupol. With the talk of a blockade of Crimea this makes sense to me. Achieving it is another story for another more educated poster.
Maybe it’s this simultaneously with a push south through Zaporizhzhia to Melitopol to create a large wedge between Crimea and Mariupol. With the talk of a blockade of Crimea this makes sense to me. Achieving it is another story for another more educated poster.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 8:57 pm to DabosDynasty
With Wagner being supposedly a nearly spent force, it does feel like Wagner would not be able to resist such an attack if it came at Bakhmut right?
Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The irony is that, at the beginning of the war, the US was hesitant to share intelligence with Ukraine, because Ukrainian intelligence was so infested with Russian moles. Now, they don't trust us, because we have a mole.
Or we have incompetent leaders like Biden & milley. Ukraine doesn’t trust us, they don’t care, but they sure as hell will take our money, weapons, and intel.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:03 pm to BambiisDead
That’s my thinking, but I’ve also seen a map at some point about a week or so ago showing the Russian army waiting behind them on that front. From the looks of said map, it appeared really the only gains around Bakhmut was to its north, which was achieved by the Russian Army instead of Wagner.
Posted on 4/9/23 at 9:24 pm to DabosDynasty
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We could start by fixing our own domestic crap that correlates to foreign policy like energy policy. Cut the shite with this all electric vehicles by 2035 or whatever. Cut the shite with limiting domestic energy production and export for any reason. We should be giving hard assurances to O&G its here to stay and stop demonizing them publicly and with policy. Invest in new refineries to refine our grade (someone correct me on the proper O&G term) of oil to reduce reliance on imports that later become gasoline
Of known reserves we have about 20 years of oil. We already export gasoline. The problem with that is it costs more to carry from refineries to the NE and West Coasts than it is to import gasoline and diesel. It also costs more to ship crude oil to those locations than to import if new refineries were built say on up the Chesapeake.
We do have an oil field that will finally be able to expand production since Biden approved a railroad to it in Utah. It is highly desirable crude oil especially for the diesel and base oil (for making lube oil with we presently import). The crude is light, very sweet and low in metals contamination but very waxy, far too waxy for a pipeline.
What about we build another pipeline to Canada, an ally, and call it Keystone XL?
As far as offshore drilling and production, since the 1980's Florida has blocked any leases in 1/3 of the Gulf of Mexico. We had already discovered oil there.
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