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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/20/23 at 8:09 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 3/20/23 at 8:09 pm to CitizenK
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Russia would need to build tankage at Mariupol and Berdyansk to receive fuel by ship, unless it's all in drums. Both of these ports are dry cargo, in containers or bulk, and steel products. Even a small products tanker would sit at berth longer than it would want to if within range.
Russia has rail ferries. I was guessing that they could use one of those, if the port has a good rail connection.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 8:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
Daily Bakhmut Map Update:
ISW:
@NOELreports:
@War_Mapper:
And this topographical map is from yesterday, but still useful, from @konrad_muzyka:
Oh, and I suppose I should add the Rybar map too:

ISW:
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Russian forces continued making advances in and around Bakhmut on March 19 and 20. Geolocated footage posted on March 19 shows that Russian forces have advanced in southwestern Bakhmut just south of Korsunskoho Street, about 7km northwest of Bakhmut between Bohdanivka and Khromove, and in northern Bakhmut near the AZOM complex.[41] Geolocated footage posted on March 20 also indicates that Wagner forces have made advances near the Mariupolske Cemetary in southwestern Bakhmut.
@NOELreports:
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Bakhmut: In the southern area, fighting continues around the Mig-17 monument/Tchaikovsky St. A little further west of it, Russian forces have been driven back after a series of Ukrainian counter-attacks. The buffer around Ivanivske is (again) decent. North of Bakhmut no changes.
@War_Mapper:
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A close-up map of the approximate situation around the city of Bakhmut.
RU have advanced along the reservoir north of Khromove.
And this topographical map is from yesterday, but still useful, from @konrad_muzyka:
Oh, and I suppose I should add the Rybar map too:
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
Continue to be very intrigued by Japan, but particularly on this on the heels of Xi’s state visit to Moscow.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Russia has rail ferries. I was guessing that they could use one of those, if the port has a good rail connection.
they have been using rail ferries across the straits to Crimea.
If someone did some thinking, containers as in Iso Containers (tanks) could be sent to the front on container chasises. But Russia doesn't have the trucking capability
Posted on 3/21/23 at 2:17 am to CitizenK
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618
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Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
Russia's successful withdrawal from the right bank of Kherson and mobilization helped stabilize the lines and stopped Ukraine's advance to Kreminna. In order to make further serious gains, Ukraine went on the defense to buy time to form new units/train on NATO equipment.
The battle in Bakhmut began more than 6 months ago, but became a focus over the winter as both sides redeployed forces to Bakhmut from Kherson. Bakhmut thereby acquired a degree of political significance on both sides.
Russia began its winter offensive in late January. Russian forces have attempted to advance in several parts of the front while making minimal gains. In some areas like Vuhledar, Russian forces have suffered far heavier losses than Ukrainian forces.
Russia has also sustained heavy losses in Bakhmut, but the ratio of losses shifted as Russia took the flanks (which sit on high ground), beginning with the southern flank in January and the northern flank in mid/late-February including Yahidne on the 25th.
Although the center of Bakhmut has strong buildings and factories, the flanks are composed of houses without basements. Once they're targeted, they're no longer useful as fighting positions. Russian advances on the flanks put the main resupply routes within direct-fire range.
Newly mobilized soldiers are being sent to Bakhmut as combat replacements and the units don't have enough time to train them properly. There is a trade-off between sending mobilized soldiers to the front or to new units preparing for the spring offensive.
Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut: ‘Our troops are not being protected’
But multiple defenders of this embattled city in Donetsk Oblast feel that they are in a similar boat, according to interviews with more than a dozen soldiers currently fighting in or around Bakhmut.
Although there was a 3-week period in which Russian artillery fire was reduced, it increased at the end of February as the 106th Airborne Division played a greater role, which coincided with greater Wagner-VDV cooperation. Russia has a substantial artillery advantage in Bakhmut.
Wagner commanders are given greater discretion and flexibility to fight as they see fit and to find/exploit weak points (TDF units are often deliberately targeted). Some Wagner units operate at night while others only during the day. Wagner convicts are not allowed to retreat.
Bakhmut matters to Russia because its stated goal is to seize all of the Donbas, but Russian forces are struggling to advance towards Kramatorsk-Slovyansk from the other directions. It has also been key to Ukraine’s defense of the rest of the Donbas.
Ukraine is prioritizing forming and training new units in three army corps for its spring offensive while trying to hold the entirety of the front line. But those are competing priorities, and Ukraine is deliberately holding back reserves. economist.com/zaluzhny-trans…
This may give the impression that Ukraine is losing, but, in reality, Ukraine is not committing all of its resources to the front. Ukraine has a better chance of achieving another significant breakthrough this spring than Russia does during its current offensive.
Russia is dependent on a small number of elite units for their assaults (e.g. naval infantry, VDV, Wagner professionals), but they can grind their way to slow, costly victories by employing greater forces and artillery. An attritional fight is not in Ukraine’s interests.
Until its offensive, Ukraine's best strategy is to pick battles where it can achieve a favorable ratio of attrition and expend fewer munitions, which could weaken Russian forces' ability to defend without significantly sapping Ukraine's offensive potential in the coming months.
Although the attrition ratio in Bakhmut has been advantageous for the duration of the battle, the ratio is much less favorable now with Ru forces holding high ground on the city's flanks. Much of Russia's losses are prisoners of less military value than Ukrainian soldiers.
In contrast, in Vuhledar, the share of Russian casualties from elite units is higher than in Bakhmut, and it isn't clear if Wagner's use of convicts would be as effective in a less urban setting.
The upcoming Ukrainian offensive will be strategically critical and potentially decisive. Western aid, including ammunition, will likely peak this spring and summer, and it will take years before increases in artillery production capacity can be achieved.
Ukraine will not have air superiority, will face stronger Russian defenses than it did in Kharkiv, and will likely only be able to achieve localized superiority in artillery fire and forces. To gives its offensive the best chance for success, Kyiv needs to husband its resources.
There is no risk-free option for Ukraine. Retrograde operations are dangerous, withdrawing from Bakhmut could lead to more pressure on Siversk or elsewhere, and there is no guarantee Ukraine would be able to retake the city later if it withdraws.
But there is a risk that, by committing the necessary forces to continue holding Bakhmut (where its attrition ratio isn't favorable), Ukraine will sap some of the forces available for its strategically more important spring offensive.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 2:38 am to Chromdome35
It’s their war, we have to let them make the ultimate decisions on where and when to fight
Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:01 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 21 March 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
In the coming weeks, thousands of Russian convicts who have fought for Wagner Group are likely to be pardoned and released. Wagner prisoner recruitment peaked in autumn 2022, with inmates being offered commutation of their sentences after six months of service.
Although approximately half of the prisoners recruited have likely been killed or wounded, evidence from Russia suggests the group is following through on its promise to free survivors. The certificates issued to freed Wagner veterans claim to have been endorsed by the decree of President Putin.
With Wagner now likely banned from recruiting more prisoners, this exodus will worsen its personnel problems. In addition, the sudden influx of often violent offenders with recent and often traumatic combat experience will likely present a significant challenge for Russia's war-time society.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 21 March 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
In the coming weeks, thousands of Russian convicts who have fought for Wagner Group are likely to be pardoned and released. Wagner prisoner recruitment peaked in autumn 2022, with inmates being offered commutation of their sentences after six months of service.
Although approximately half of the prisoners recruited have likely been killed or wounded, evidence from Russia suggests the group is following through on its promise to free survivors. The certificates issued to freed Wagner veterans claim to have been endorsed by the decree of President Putin.
With Wagner now likely banned from recruiting more prisoners, this exodus will worsen its personnel problems. In addition, the sudden influx of often violent offenders with recent and often traumatic combat experience will likely present a significant challenge for Russia's war-time society.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 6:54 am to cypher
Twitter
I know we’ve talked about the use of prisoners and some of the dynamics of Russian prisons ITT before, but came across this thread and wanted to share.
Russian MOD is now apparently attempting to coerce the “untouchables” into service and Wagner has a separate “cock division”. These guys are not allowed to interact with others because of their status in prison. Now freed convicts who’ve survived the war are being used to recruit these prisoners.
I know we’ve talked about the use of prisoners and some of the dynamics of Russian prisons ITT before, but came across this thread and wanted to share.
Russian MOD is now apparently attempting to coerce the “untouchables” into service and Wagner has a separate “cock division”. These guys are not allowed to interact with others because of their status in prison. Now freed convicts who’ve survived the war are being used to recruit these prisoners.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:04 am to DabosDynasty
The Economist:
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Mykhailo Fedorov, the 32-year-old deputy prime minister responsible for both Ukraine’s drone programme and its digital transformation, says the turning-point may be coming faster than people think. A number of changes are about to make a big impact, he says. The army has completed a big restructuring, establishing 60 new attack-drone squadrons, at least one in every brigade, with separate staff and commanders. This is the first reform of its kind anywhere in the world. Ukraine’s military doctrine has been updated to include (classified) guidelines on drone use. The defence ministry has created a new board to co-ordinate the work of drone producers. There has been a drive to deregulate: removing import and certification barriers. And this month is marked by the launch of a new military “cluster” venture designed to link Ukrainian military tech with international companies and capital.
A defence-industry insider, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirms that the army is due to gain “significant and high-tech capacity” in the coming weeks and months. That said, it will still struggle against the Russians, he cautions. Their own Iranian-designed drones have tormented Ukrainian cities since the start of winter. The war is also testing drone technologies as never before: over a large, contested airspace and against sophisticated electronic-warfare systems.
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But though Ukraine may have proved the concept, it is another thing to scale it up. Ukraine’s strike-drone programme still appears some way from achieving the production volumes it needs to rival Russia’s long-range strike capacity, says Seth Frantzman, the author of “Drone Wars”, which traces the use of uavs in combat. One problem is access to air-launched munitions, with America reluctant to provide weapons that could reach deep inside Russia. Improvised devices and ingenuity can only go so far, though the Ukrainians are certainly trying.
Another major bottleneck is engine production, especially the petrol engines (as opposed to electric motors) needed to power strike drones over large distances. Only a limited number of manufacturers in the world can produce them and Ukraine is competing to buy from the same markets as its enemy. “We really sense the presence of the other party here,” says Mr Fedorov, the deputy prime minister
A drone manufacturer working out of a heavily guarded factory in the suburbs of one Ukrainian city says that Russia’s authoritarian nature has given it a head start in strike capability, and that Ukraine is obliged to play catch-up. “Sanctions mean they will start to run out of parts faster than we do,” he said. “But we shouldn’t kid ourselves. They activated their production lines far faster than we did.”
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:32 am to GOP_Tiger
"Occupiers are to leave Crimea": Ukraine's Armed Forces react to explosions in Dzhankoi
Alona Mazurenko — Tuesday, 21 March 2023, 11:28
The destruction of Russian missiles on the territory of temporarily occupied Crimea may be another signal for the occupiers that the time has come to withdraw their troops.
Source: Natalia Humeniuk, Head of the Joint Press Centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), on air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Quote: "Dzhankoi is a hub station. And even at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, it was said that the defeat of logistics would be the main means of influencing the enemy's ideas of what to do in Crimea.
Now the course is clearly set that they need to leave by rail."
Details: Humeniuk believes that the invaders will not mention the Kalibr missiles destroyed in Dzhankoi because this does not contribute to their image.
Quote: "They need to deal with what happened.
They felt quite calm, especially at such a distance, and believed that they would have time to evacuate long before our weapons started responding to places of serious deployment."
Ukrainska Pravda
Alona Mazurenko — Tuesday, 21 March 2023, 11:28
The destruction of Russian missiles on the territory of temporarily occupied Crimea may be another signal for the occupiers that the time has come to withdraw their troops.
Source: Natalia Humeniuk, Head of the Joint Press Centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), on air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Quote: "Dzhankoi is a hub station. And even at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, it was said that the defeat of logistics would be the main means of influencing the enemy's ideas of what to do in Crimea.
Now the course is clearly set that they need to leave by rail."
Details: Humeniuk believes that the invaders will not mention the Kalibr missiles destroyed in Dzhankoi because this does not contribute to their image.
Quote: "They need to deal with what happened.
They felt quite calm, especially at such a distance, and believed that they would have time to evacuate long before our weapons started responding to places of serious deployment."
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:36 am to cypher
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"Occupiers are to leave Crimea": Ukraine's Armed Forces react to explosions in Dzhankoi
That reads like a notice that the Ukrainian military would print on thousands of leaflets and drop by aircraft over a frightened Russian population.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:49 am to DabosDynasty
Seems that the Russians have leap-frogged past the "Western Decadence" they were supposedly fighting...
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:36 am to DabosDynasty
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Russian MOD is now apparently attempting to coerce the “untouchables” into service and Wagner has a separate “cock division”. These guys are not allowed to interact with others because of their status in prison.
Jeez.
I understand that prison (and I can only begin to imagine a Russian prison) is its own ecosystem with its own rules, written and unwritten. But that's some crazy mental gymnastics and justification. These people at the bottom of the Russian prison hierarchy are so bad, that you cannot even come into contact with them, or even their possessions, or you will be an outcast and forced to be one of the "lowers"...unless you're fricking them. Then it's cool.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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Listen to Ukrainian military officers, like I was able to do during a research trip to Kyiv and the Donbas this month, and a different picture emerges. Not the tank, but it’s less glamorous cousin—the infantry fighting vehicle (IFV)—was at the top of its weapons wish list. “We need everything, but IFVs are probably the most urgent need we have,” an officer in a Ukrainian mechanized brigade messaged me last week.
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The article goes on to talk about how NATO IFVs such as Bradleys and CV-90s will help Ukraine.
For reference, Franz-Stefan Gady went on the same recent trip to Ukraine as Michael Kofman, Konrad Muzyka and Rob Lee. I think it's important, when reading them, to realize that these guys saw the same things.
They’re right. Tanks are vital on the battlefield in a conventional war. But, as we’ve seen from the horrendous losses in tanks the Russians have suffered, they are only one part of the combined arms equation. Tanks, when unsupported by infantry, are vulnerable to ATGMs. And the only way for the infantry to keep up with the tanks is to mount your infantry in IFVs. The math is simple…
Tanks - IFVs = defeat
IFVs - Tanks = defeat
Tanks + IFVs = victory
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:42 am to TBoy
There are thousands of Russian sympathizers and collaborators among Ukes in occupied east Ukraine. They have had the protection of mother Russia for years.
Now, a massive Ukrainian offensive is forming and is only a few weeks off.
Wonder what they are thinking...
I wouldn't want to be around when these areas are liberated...
Now, a massive Ukrainian offensive is forming and is only a few weeks off.
Wonder what they are thinking...
I wouldn't want to be around when these areas are liberated...
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:01 am to Darth_Vader
This is from the UK parliament website. Its not the BBC but figured it was trustworthy enough. UK MoD states they will give DU ammunition along with the Challengers they're sending.
I know the DU armor is something the Abrams will be lacking once its sent to Ukraine. Im guessing the UK could have provided a regular armor piercing shell correct? Guessing no one knows how many DU shells UK can afford to give.
LINK
I know the DU armor is something the Abrams will be lacking once its sent to Ukraine. Im guessing the UK could have provided a regular armor piercing shell correct? Guessing no one knows how many DU shells UK can afford to give.
LINK
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:16 am to nitwit
When this war is over, individuals caught on the wrong side (for their way of thinking) of the eventual border will be persecuted and ostracized. I don’t know that there is anyway around that.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:28 am to IAmNERD
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I understand that prison (and I can only begin to imagine a Russian prison) is its own ecosystem with its own rules, written and unwritten. But that's some crazy mental gymnastics and justification. These people at the bottom of the Russian prison hierarchy are so bad, that you cannot even come into contact with them, or even their possessions, or you will be an outcast and forced to be one of the "lowers"...unless you're fricking them. Then it's cool.
It's yet another reminder what a primitive, barbaric society Russia is.
Here in the US, even though we may make "don't drop the soap" jokes, and even though some people might express a desire that a particularly bad criminal might get raped in prison, we nonetheless still recognize prison rape as a bad thing and put systems in place to protect more vulnerable prisoners.
In Russia, prison rape is still treated as a feature, not a bug. It's part of the institutional system.
And that's important to remember when you read about ordinary Russians who get sent to prison for things such as protesting the war.
But of course, Russia is supposedly fighting to protect Christian family values.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:40 am to jfan244888
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UK MoD states they will give DU ammunition along with the Challengers they're sending.
Keep in mind that the Challenger 2, unlike other NATO tanks, has a rifled barrel and uses completely different rounds, which must obviously be provided by the UK. We obviously don't know what kinds of stocks the UK has of different kinds of ammo for their Challengers.
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