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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:51 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:51 pm to StormyMcMan
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I can't imagine Ukraine being dumb enough to do this, so I'm leaning towards false flag to draw Belarus into the war if it even happened
These are airfields that Russian bombers use to take off and launch missiles at Ukraine. Ukraine has every right to strike those airfields to prevent that.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
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These are airfields that Russian bombers use to take off and launch missiles at Ukraine. Ukraine has every right to strike those airfields to prevent that.
Oh I agree with that too. Just saying opening up an extra front now really doesn't make any sense to me because attacking Belarus (regardless of legitimacy) would most likely open an additional front.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Russians are like the democrats. They like to play dirty and do as they please but if someone turns it back around on them they cry about some made up injustice. Any piece of ground that Russian aircraft take off from to hit Ukraine or wherever missiles aimed at Ukraine are launched from us fair game.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:11 pm to DabosDynasty
Why are we in NATO at all? NATO was formed to protect Western Europe from the Soviet Union in the aftermath of WWII when those countries were rebuilding. The Soviet Union no longer exists and Russia is nowhere near the threat the USSR was. Secondly, Western Europe is now as affluent as the United States and is capable of collectively defending themselves. There is zero justification for continued American participation in NATO.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:20 pm to sta4ever
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It’s still the British and French by a long shot probably. The Poles are very serious about becoming a military power in Europe, and are doing what’s absolutely necessary to become one, but the Brits and French are just so far ahead of the Poles because they’ve been much more stable countries for much longer. They’re more advanced too. The Poles will become that military power though if they continue to do what they’re doing.
Other than the USA, the only two nations able to wage an expeditionary war are UK and France. Historically, France has actually had a damned good military for easily 100+ years. They bore the brunt of the Western Front in WWI, far more than England did. At the start of WWII, they had the largest army with the most advanced weapons in Europe but strategy was Maginot Line which was easily circumvented by the Wehrmact. Germany came close to losing their blitzkrieg. France lacked comms from the front and had an aging general staff that were not the best tacticians and allowed themselves to be encircled. They fought like mofos to keep the English army from being crushed and able to be evacuated (along with a German pause in advancing).
I think that it was Obtuse who stated how well they performed in the First Gulf War with the light tanks. Perhaps they learned to be quick and nimble after being bulky and cumbersome at the start of WWII.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:22 pm to jeffsdad
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Is this considered an escalation? I don't remember Belarus being hit before??
Last Spring there were several railroad events in Belarus supposedly from citizens. There are almost the same number of Belarussians fighting in Ukraine as in their own army.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:23 pm to El Segundo Guy
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I don't want Ukraine in NATO. I don't want the U.S. obligated to protect Ukraine in perpetuity just because of a piece of paper.
Because of NATO. Europe has been war free (not civil war free) since the end of WWII. There is a reason Russia attack I by Ukraine aha pushed Finland and Sweden to apply. The NATO charter (article 5) triggers a joint defense from all members in the event of attack. This has stopped the USSR and nor Russia from starting something.
Ukraine in nato would likely start another Cold War, but would keep a hot war from starting.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:42 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The Soviet Union
This is so lazy and stupid it hurts my brain.
Putin and his inner circle are frickING Soviets. They changed the letterhead on the criminal operation but they would tell you if you asked they are Soviets. Born, bred, trained and will die Soviets.
All the Soviet satellites are turning west, this is a last ditch effort for Soviets in charge to keep the band together.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
US House Foreign Affairs Head: Congress ready to 'prioritize' advanced weapons for Ukraine
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
February 26, 2023 9:39 pm
The U.S. can send more advanced weapon systems for Ukraine, including longer-range missile systems or fighter jets, Michael McCaul, Chairperson of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview with ABC News on Feb. 26
McCaul, a Republican representative from the state of Texas, added that if such moves were approved by President Joe Biden, Congress “would take steps to move the process along.”
“We can certainly write into our appropriations bills, prioritizing weapons systems. We intend to do that,” he said.
According to McCaul, Ukraine can receive enough weapons to win the war with "pressure from Congress on both sides of the aisle,”
He added that following his recent conversation with U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, currently “nothing is off the table” in terms of weapons deliveries to Ukraine.
“I know the administration says, ‘as long as it takes.’ I think, with the right weapons, it shouldn’t take so long,” McCaul said.
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
February 26, 2023 9:39 pm
The U.S. can send more advanced weapon systems for Ukraine, including longer-range missile systems or fighter jets, Michael McCaul, Chairperson of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview with ABC News on Feb. 26
McCaul, a Republican representative from the state of Texas, added that if such moves were approved by President Joe Biden, Congress “would take steps to move the process along.”
“We can certainly write into our appropriations bills, prioritizing weapons systems. We intend to do that,” he said.
According to McCaul, Ukraine can receive enough weapons to win the war with "pressure from Congress on both sides of the aisle,”
He added that following his recent conversation with U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, currently “nothing is off the table” in terms of weapons deliveries to Ukraine.
“I know the administration says, ‘as long as it takes.’ I think, with the right weapons, it shouldn’t take so long,” McCaul said.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:12 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Why are we in NATO at all? NATO was formed to protect Western Europe from the Soviet Union in the aftermath of WWII when those countries were rebuilding.
Well it’s been successful for 75+ years on that front then hasn’t it? You’ll never hear me say it’s perfect, in fact I find a lot of issues with its members and lack of relative equal pulling of weight. Post soviet Russia has only attacked non-NATO nations in its region.
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The Soviet Union no longer exists and Russia is nowhere near the threat the USSR was.
That wasn’t known until 12 months ago and without the aid of NATO equipment and training, and I think most important intelligence & strategy to Ukraine Russia would today still appear a successful major regional threat.
Destruction is also valid consideration in addition to territorial success. Can Russia take and hold NATO territory? We now know that answer is no. But they can inflict serious collateral damage and death when they’re dumb enough to try to take and hold territory. Those NATO nations a) likely wouldn’t be successful on their own and b) either way would face the same destruction we’ve seen in Ukraine which is also not wanted.
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Secondly, Western Europe is now as affluent as the United States and is capable of collectively defending themselves.
Agree on affluence, disagree on capability to defend itself as evidenced by their handling of Ukraine when given the chance to take the wheel and lack of decision to build their own formidable defenses outside of France, UK, and Poland on a relative basis. Obviously NATO has allowed for ignorance to defense on their part for which can both be positive and negative. Today it’s negative. Had Germany gone straight to Germany again, not exactly ideal for continental Europe. It also kept Europeans on the front line vs Russia instead of a massive presence from us on a much greater scale than we keep with our network of bases, which we also use for our own means.
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There is zero justification for continued American participation in NATO.
See above and also consider orders for American defense products within are going through the roof and will continue to do so to replace donated Soviet era equipment, which not only beneifts us economically but also NATO defense as European front lines then transform into much more effective and powerful units which clearly would be effective against its adversary, Russia.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
The ratio of Russian losses to Ukrainian losses was highest in the first days of the war. During Russia's campaign last summer against Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, when Russian artillery had a decided advantage, the ratios were almost equal. Lately, the ratio has been about 2.5 to 1.
But the losses have not been evenly distributed across different types of equipment. Aviation losses are similar, but IFV losses are most definitely not. I think this graph give us a good way to visualize in which ways Russia has gotten comparatively weaker since the war started.
Jakub Janovsky publishes the daily updates, if you want to follow him on Twitter.
Remember that you can see photo and/or video documentation of every lost vehicle on Oryx's website. People go over them fairly carefully to ensure that there aren't duplicates. Oryx will tell you that he thinks that they capture about 85% or so of the true losses, and I think that's about right, as drone videos cover almost everything, and any observed losses get posted.
List of Russian equipment losses
List of Ukrainian equipment losses
But the losses have not been evenly distributed across different types of equipment. Aviation losses are similar, but IFV losses are most definitely not. I think this graph give us a good way to visualize in which ways Russia has gotten comparatively weaker since the war started.
Jakub Janovsky publishes the daily updates, if you want to follow him on Twitter.
Remember that you can see photo and/or video documentation of every lost vehicle on Oryx's website. People go over them fairly carefully to ensure that there aren't duplicates. Oryx will tell you that he thinks that they capture about 85% or so of the true losses, and I think that's about right, as drone videos cover almost everything, and any observed losses get posted.
List of Russian equipment losses
List of Ukrainian equipment losses
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:41 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Why are we in NATO at all?
This comes up all the time and one of the big reasons that often gets overlooked is access. We have mutual defense/security agreements all over the globe and one of the biggest benefits that follow from them is the ability to have bases on foreign soil. One of the big benefits of that is force projection that doesn't even require ships or airplanes and if it does it allows for airstrips and ports all over the world that we can rely on to be friendly. This allows us to be close to our would-be enemies while they have no way to be close to us in the same manner.
Think of how it must feel to have foreign troops living essentially permanently on your soil. If we leave those mutual defense agreements you can kiss a lot of those bases goodbye.
Pimpin' ain't easy and being the big dick by far on the world stage ain't cheap. The people that scream about NATO et al will be the same ones years after we left complaining we don't have the military power we once did. One does not give away that position of power unless they are stupid or just want to be an easy target for bullies ie let's leave muh NATO... OMG China is dragging its balls over our forehead.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:55 pm to cypher
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US House Foreign Affairs Head: Congress ready to 'prioritize' advanced weapons for Ukraine
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
February 26, 2023 9:39 pm
The U.S. can send more advanced weapon systems for Ukraine, including longer-range missile systems or fighter jets, Michael McCaul, Chairperson of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview with ABC News on Feb. 26
McCaul, a Republican representative from the state of Texas, added that if such moves were approved by President Joe Biden, Congress “would take steps to move the process along.”
The crazy part about today's GOP is that some such as Reps. MTG and Gaetz and Sens. Hawley and Vance are very much against aid to Ukraine. Tucker Carlson is also in this camp.
But Sen. McConnell and the chairmen of House Armed Services Committee and House Foreign Affairs Committee are strongly pushing President Biden to give more aid to Ukraine and to do so faster. They, along with people like Vice-President Pence, say attack Biden from the other side and say that we aren't doing enough.
The GOP is sharply divided right now. Much of the party's base is skeptical of aid to Ukraine, while some of its key leaders in Congress are saying that we aren't doing enough.
I'm not trying to start a political discussion about who is right -- it's just an observation.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:58 pm to GOP_Tiger
Seeing some rumors now that Ukraine has actually started a counteroffensive in the north of Bakhmut to cut off the attackers.
Ukraine broke a dam two days ago that is now flooding part of this area, and that could be part of the attempt to isolate those attacking Russians to the north of Bakhmut.
I don't think we know yet if this is true -- it fits more into the category of "watch for more info."
Edit: seeing reports now that this did not work.
Ukraine broke a dam two days ago that is now flooding part of this area, and that could be part of the attempt to isolate those attacking Russians to the north of Bakhmut.
I don't think we know yet if this is true -- it fits more into the category of "watch for more info."
Edit: seeing reports now that this did not work.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:59 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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The main reasons for the French and German delays in weapon deliveries are the significant left wing voters in each country
Macron is trying to push through a big retirement reform right now, and when he announced raising military spending, the left (most of France) blew a gasket.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Belarusian partisans say they conducted a successful sabotage operation and damaged a Russian military A-50 control aircraft at Machulishchy military airfield this morning.
LINK
That would certainly be a different situation from Ukraine bombing Belarus.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:05 pm to Athanatos
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Macron is trying to push through a big retirement reform right now, and when he announced raising military spending, the left (most of France) blew a gasket.
Even France's far right is to the left of the DNC. Even farmers are unionized. I have no problem with unions and the right to organize but to force it is something I loathe.
Same with most of Europe and the UK. Even the Tories in the UK love tax and spend policies even more than Labour
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:10 pm to CitizenK
You got a link to that?
Or is the Belarus military that small?
Or is the Belarus military that small?
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:22 pm to TigersnJeeps
20,000 in the military and 10,000 fighting for Ukraine. The military is used to keep the protests from forming as most people loathe Luka and Russia.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:28 pm to CitizenK
I don't think the UK is in that position anymore.
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Other than the USA, the only two nations able to wage an expeditionary war are UK and France.
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