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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:28 pm to
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That would certainly be a different situation from Ukraine bombing Belarus.


And a welcome one. Didn’t think it seemed too likely from Ukraine, but didn’t discount it not mattering via false flag. This seems different from both.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:35 pm to
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Belarusian partisans say they conducted a successful sabotage operation and damaged a Russian military A-50 control aircraft at Machulishchy military airfield this morning.


Who has "war escalates in an unexpected direction" on their bingo card?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:37 pm to


Interesting the Saudis publicly support Ukraine against Russia.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Interesting the Saudis publicly support Ukraine against Russia.



Well shite, I'm conflicted.

Russia selling oil below market is bad for the Saudis business.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:47 pm to
I guess potentially a post war play. Reasonable to believe Russian O&G may not flow through pipelines in Ukraine to Europe after the war. Maybe this is the beginning of trying to be that replacement. I think the previously planned pipelines went westward after getting to Turkey vs north though so not sure.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:47 pm to
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Russia selling oil below market is bad for the Saudis business.


So what kind of attack or sabotage could do the most damage to the Russian oil industry?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:51 pm to
Plus Iran is helping Russian so the friend of my enemy is my enemy
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:52 pm to
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what kind of attack or sabotage could do the most damage to the Russian oil industry?



Great question.

I think if you hit distribution points, where the oil goes on the tanker, it would have an immediate effect. Probably easier said than done.

Tankers are their distribution model.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:00 pm to
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So what kind of attack or sabotage could do the most damage to the Russian oil industry?


Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:05 pm to
That's a Russian AWACS. Very high value target if they took it out.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:14 pm to
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Interesting the Saudis publicly support Ukraine against Russia


Iran is the number one enemy of Saudi Arabia. This is not surprising at all now.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:15 pm to
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So what kind of attack or sabotage could do the most damage to the Russian oil industry?


No attack required. Wells might be choked to keep all of the flowing but if shut in for any period of time, they would need to rework with a workover rig. Russia has made all those production gains the last 20 years using US Technology which they no longer have access too. They already had issues with hydrate formation in natural gas pipelines due not dehydrating enough at the field. This is generally accomplished by ethylene glycol which removes the moisture then is regenerated by boiling off the water. Mole sieves can be used but too expensive for large quantities of gas
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:18 pm to
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Great question.

I think if you hit distribution points, where the oil goes on the tanker, it would have an immediate effect. Probably easier said than done.

Tankers are their distribution model.
Thought he might have been suggesting Nordstream.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:20 pm to
Or do what the Iranians did in the eighties. A few mines of untraceable origin and the tankers stop sailing.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:21 pm to
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he might have been suggesting Nordstream.



Ah. Well that mode of distribution is out of commission.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:31 pm to
This is very interesting and the first real evidence I have seen that Russia is starting to adapt.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1629722073487613953
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1/16
Russian forces are revamping their assault tactics after experiencing failures with their current structure. The Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs) are getting replaced with a new unit called the "Assault Unit" or "Assault Detachment", which I will discuss in this thread.



2/16
Based on a captured russian manual, the Assault Unit (or Detachment) is a battalion-sized force designed to perform assaults in fortified tree lines and urban environments. It is essentially a reinforced battalion with a specific focus on assault operations.



3/16
The Assault Detachment is customizable to mission requirements and consists of 2-3 assault companies, a command unit, an artillery support unit, and other groups: recon, tank, EW, AD, fire support, UAV, Medevac, flamethrowing, assault engineering, reserve, equipment recovery



4/16
Assault unit armament:
- Three T-72 tanks
- Two Zu-23, and 3 MANDAPS
- 12 man-portable flamethrowers
- Six SPGs (2S9),
- Six Towed artillery guns (D30)
- Two AGS-17
- Two Kord HMGs,
- Two ATGMs
- Two sniper pairs.
- BREM-L



5/16
The main unit of the assault detachment is an assault company consisting of a command unit, a UAV team, assault platoons, an artillery support platoon, a tank group, a reserve section, artillery support platoons, medevac section.



6/16
Assault company armament:
- Four BMP or BMD-2
- One T-72
- Two AGS-17,
- Two Kord HMG
- Two ATGM
- Two sniper pairs
- Two mortars - either 82 or 120 mm mortar
- One D30 or 2S9



7/16
The primary component of the combat formation is the assault platoon, which may consist of an advance party, safeguard, command group, and fire support platoon strengthened by additional firepower: AGS, mortar, D-30 gun, armored group, and evacuation squad.



8/16
An assault platoon comprises 12-15 members, divided into tactical groups of 3 people, and equipped based on mission requirements. A reserve section can supplement the platoon with additional firepower - machine gunner, assistant machine gunner, riflemen.



9/16
Main assault provisions:
• The pause between the assault and artillery fire on fortified positions should be no longer than one minute
• Using UAVs for reconnaissance is advised, but it is not recommended to use them for battle monitoring to avoid the loss of the UAV.



10/16
• Occupying abandoned trenches is prohibited because they may have been booby-trapped or could have been prepared as targets for artillery strikes.
• Assaulters cannot evacuate the wounded themselves; they must relay the wounded's coordinates to the evacuation team.



11/16
• The platoon commander controls mortar fire.
• The platoon/company commander decides on artillery targets, but only the unit commander can provide the air support.
• A recommended firing method for the AGS-17 is indirect fire, with a preferred firing range of 600-1700 m



12/16
During the assault, the armored group can act as a whole or be divided between platoons. The artillery support platoon's mortars are distributed between assault platoons, while the artillery gun reports directly to the commander.

13/16
• During the treeline assault, the platoon should move in a diamond formation
• During an assault, it is prohibited for an assault company or platoon to move through open spaces and they should instead move solely within the treeline.

14/16
The russians are transitioning from larger structures, such as BTGs, to smaller, more agile assault units. However, they still rely heavily on artillery support. It is uncertain if they have enough scarce weapons like 2S9, mortars, AGS, and ammo to equip all units.
By RightQuark - Own work, C...



15/16
This decision seems to be influenced by Wagner's advances in the Bakhmut area and the decreased availability of vehicles and weaponry since February 2022. Unlike BTG, assault detachments doesn’t seem to have a logistics or MLRS units in their structure.

16/16
In the upcoming part, which I will be publishing next week, I plan to expand on this topic further and discuss urban tactics and recommendations. I invite you to follow me to stay updated, as social media algorithms may not prioritize war-related content.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:44 pm to
That sounds great, but for this to work it takes junior officers and NCOs with initiative and the authority to act on it. Which Russia Does. Not. Have.

At any rate, Wagner's success had more to do with willingness to keep charging headlong into machine gun fire because 90% chance of dying in combat is better than 100% chance of death by firing squad. Even Stalin didn't do that except in extreme circumstances. I don't see them being able to extrapolate those methods to the regular army.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:52 pm to
Are these considered strategic assets?

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1629898686821007360
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According to the sources, a russian A-50 AWACS was blow up in Machulishchy.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:54 pm to
That they show signs of change is important, regardless of their ability to implement it at this time. This won't save them in this war if it ends in 2023. If this war goes beyond this year, I fear Ukraine will lose. Russia will get its act together eventually. Ukraine has to win before that happens.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 5:14 pm to
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quote:
Belarusian partisans say they conducted a successful sabotage operation and damaged a Russian military A-50 control aircraft at Machulishchy military airfield this morning.


LINK

That would certainly be a different situation from Ukraine bombing Belarus.


How crazy would it be if Russias invasion of Ukraine led to a Civil war in Belarus. I know it's not likely but yeah
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