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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:35 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:35 am to Tigeralum2008
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Best thing to offer them besides equipment is to help develop their natural gas deposits
It would fund ukraines military needs and create a redundant supply to Europe
That was done just before the 2014 invasion. IMO, that was part of the reason Russia initially invaded.
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Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:41 am to SlimTigerSlap
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I think we let our imagination run wild a little too much with Polish military might.
I think the same could be said for Russian military might when you remember the disparity of forces between Russia and Ukraine back in February of last year.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:59 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:06 am to SlimTigerSlap
It’s still the British and French by a long shot probably. The Poles are very serious about becoming a military power in Europe, and are doing what’s absolutely necessary to become one, but the Brits and French are just so far ahead of the Poles because they’ve been much more stable countries for much longer. They’re more advanced too. The Poles will become that military power though if they continue to do what they’re doing.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:31 am to DabosDynasty
quote:The main reasons for the French and German delays in weapon deliveries are the significant left wing voters in each country and business leaders wanting to position themselves for cheap Russian natural gas again when this is over. (Yeah, good luck with that Bayer...).
If France and Germany were serious about eliminating Russia from Ukraine’s borders with more advanced equipment and weaponry they’d have given it and not drug their feet so much on things like Leopards that potentially delay exactly what they say they want to happen in their proposal.
But here's the point: when you ask these two groups what will it take to increase the amount and speed of real weapons to Ukraine, this is their answer - no NATO membership. Just as when the Ukrainians applied when Merkel was on the throne.
So if that's all they want, then shite, take it. That's a great deal. Ukraine gets all the weapons they need now. When they still have a chance of losing Crimea and the Donbas through forced negotiations brought about by lack of Western support for their army. But with those weapons, they have a great chance of winning and taking all their territory back. That would more than likely bring down Putin and completely reset the Kremlin.
Finally, when there is peace in Ukraine again and Ukrainian gas is being delivered to the EU, the lobbying for NATO membership can begin again. During this time they would certainly have the full military support from us and a number of other countries. This would put time on their side with this issue.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:09 am to sta4ever
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just find it hard to believe that Russia is going to try and frick with Poland.
They don't have a choice. The goal of this whole exercise is to secure their entire western flank. Simply taking Ukraine doesn't do that. They have to have Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Romania (Moldova at a minimum). This is a war of geography. Plugging the front at Ukraine without controlling the access points to Russia from the others is pointless.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:32 am to StormyMcMan
It is time to withdraw from Bakhmut and fall back to another defensive location. The window to be able to withdraw safely is rapidly closing and the defenders there did their jobs. They bled the Russians/Wagner dry and tied up valuable resources and manpower for months. Ukrainian command can not allow this to become another Azovstal.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:46 am to Burhead
This is true if the report the cities to the north were captured, hearing now they were not.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:01 am to DabosDynasty
I don't want Ukraine in NATO. I don't want the U.S. obligated to protect Ukraine in perpetuity just because of a piece of paper.
We have way too much of that shite already.
We have way too much of that shite already.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:01 am to jeffsdad
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This is true if the report the cities to the north were captured, hearing now they were not.
Think its just a matter of time but that's my own personal opinion. Ukrainians are stubborn fighters but they do have a history of not withdrawing when the time comes. There was no real strategic value in holding Donetsk Airport but they fought bitterly over the ruins of the airport for 3 months back in 2014/2015. Same with Debaltseve.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:03 am to RollTide1987
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I think the same could be said for Russian military might when you remember the disparity of forces between Russia and Ukraine back in February of last year.
Agreed.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:04 am to Burhead
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@WarMonitors · 6m ??Volyn Troop fighter killed in skirmish on Ukrainian-Belarusian border — DeepState
I've seen this mentioned a couple times this morning but haven't ever seen it confirmed yet.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:08 am to sta4ever
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It’s still the British and French by a long shot probably. The Poles are very serious about becoming a military power in Europe, and are doing what’s absolutely necessary to become one, but the Brits and French are just so far ahead of the Poles because they’ve been much more stable countries for much longer. They’re more advanced too. The Poles will become that military power though if they continue to do what they’re doing.
I'd throw in Turkey as well.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:13 am to SlimTigerSlap
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@WarMonitors ??Russian military journalist Semyon Pegov said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked an airfield near Minsk, Belarus with drones. No official statement from Belarus or Russia regarding this incident.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:54 am to Burhead
Is this considered an escalation? I don't remember Belarus being hit before?? However, if you park a Russian plane that is supporting the Russian war effort, you should expect it.
Of course, Russia could then say the same thing.....
Of course, Russia could then say the same thing.....
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:03 pm to jeffsdad
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Is this considered an escalation? I don't remember Belarus being hit before?? However, if you park a Russian plane that is supporting the Russian war effort, you should expect it.
Of course, Russia could then say the same thing.....
I wouldn't call it escalation because like you said Belarus is a party of this conflict in all but name only and it should be fair to the Ukrainians to target Russian forces operating out of Belarus. That said I'm going to wait for some more confirmation. That Russian mil blogger is saying Ukrainian military, another post said Belarusian partisans, who knows? It could also be like you mentioned the FSB trying a Shelling of Mainila type scenario too.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:27 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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The main reasons for the French and German delays in weapon deliveries are the significant left wing voters in each country and business leaders wanting to position themselves for cheap Russian natural gas again when this is over. (Yeah, good luck with that Bayer...).
Is this contingent among their society not more or less the same side within our own who is either complaining about the expense, it’s not our business, money laundering, bio labs, it’s all fake etc, obviously the complaining about the expense and it’s not our business is the highest proportion here?
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Finally, when there is peace in Ukraine again and Ukrainian gas is being delivered to the EU, the lobbying for NATO membership can begin again. During this time they would certainly have the full military support from us and a number of other countries. This would put time on their side with this issue.
That’s largely the status quo to begin with. They’ll have us, the UK, Poland, Baltics and Germany and France will drag their feet as they have been.
I just simply don’t see it as anything but a way to do something but also try to keep Putin at bay for their own benefit and let the rest of NATO be hated by him.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:31 pm to El Segundo Guy
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I don't want Ukraine in NATO. I don't want the U.S. obligated to protect Ukraine in perpetuity just because of a piece of paper.
We already are to an extent. Their ascension to NATO provides the deterrent to where we wouldn’t again end up giving $100B+ in assistance.
Adding them to NATO provides a stopgap to this in the future, the alliance gains an actual participant to counter balance a good half of the alliance to begin with. Ensures NATO standards for equipment that will then generate business for our own defense companies for decades to come, thereby benefitting us economically.
If got a much bigger problem with the Germanys and Belgiums and Hungarys remaining that I would Ukraine joining postwar.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:35 pm to jeffsdad
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Is this considered an escalation? I don't remember Belarus being hit before?? However, if you park a Russian plane that is supporting the Russian war effort, you should expect it. Of course, Russia could then say the same thing.....
By Lukashenko’s repeated words it is to him. According to him this is supposed to elicit Belarus’s formal entry into the war.
Interested, little concerned, to see how this plays out whether truly Ukrainian attack or false flag.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:41 pm to Burhead
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@WarMonitors ??Russian military journalist Semyon Pegov said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked an airfield near Minsk, Belarus with drones. No official statement from Belarus or Russia regarding this incident.
I can't imagine Ukraine being dumb enough to do this, so I'm leaning towards false flag to draw Belarus into the war if it even happened
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