re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

I'm several pages behind so if this has been posted, my apologies. If not, you may find it interesting.
GOP_Tiger (and perhaps others) has posted more than once of Russia claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than Ukraine actually has ever had. There are more than one reason for this:

Reddit Video

quote:

---

Sure but would we invade them? We keep our neighbors generally happy by not being a massive a-hole. Russia doesn't even have that level of tact and most every country bordering them would pick up and move a continent away if that were feasible. Russia is like an a-hole dude that can't keep a woman because he beats here then gets mad when someone that treats her at least slightly better turns her head.

Russia has done its best (they just ain't good at it) to shift its influence to Central and South America. Guess what we didn't invade Venezuela in '08, '13, or '18 when Russia sent nuclear strategic bombers there. We didn't invade them when '06 when they tried to establish a military base off the coast or when they sent warships in '08. We didn't invade Nicaragua when they allowed Russia ships, planes and troops to operate on their soil multiple times in the last 10 or so years. This is just a sample of their "incursions" into our hemisphere that didn't result in us invading a country.

Russia is physically stuck where they are, it is not the best strategic position but it is what it is. If they weren't a-holes the previous Soviet states wouldn't be running to the West. We can't help the fact they beat their girlfriends but we shouldn't let them abduct and rape them either.

---

This.

For all the faults of US foreign policy post WWII they have refrained from taking away others right to self determination by and large, even after offensive operations.

Arguably many of the failures are due to the fact opposition wasn't eradicated instead of trying to win hearts and minds based on the expectation this would be responded to positively by the defeated populace.

Russia on the other hand has endemic problems in their society where successive movements to change it have failed leading to a large degree of apathy by the populace that it is just the order of things. Throw in a ruling order that exploits this and has imperial revanchist aims and you have a society that is motivated only by enforcing it's self determination on others regardless of the cost to both themselves and those they target.

Is the softer US approach better than the Russian approach? That's a ethical question for each person to decide. Personally I prefer having at least some self determination in my society and expect my leaders to extended that to other nations, so while I have reservations about the US style, I find preferable it to the Russia one.

quote:

---

We have a poor track record. Missiles in Cuba and we were ready to go.

---

Gotta go back 60 years. With Russia, you only have to go back 60 seconds. Again, I pointed out multiple military incursions Russia has made in our direction within just the last 15 years where we did not invade a country, steal children, and annex parts of their land via a vote with AK74 tabulators.

Russia is wanting to head to Moldova/Transnistria something we called 2000 pages ago ITT. If he links from Kherson to Moldova Ukraine becomes landlocked as Russia ill control the Dnieper river traffic into the Black Sea.

Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Artsakh are closing in on the top of Putin's playlist, and not a damn bit of it has anything to do with a-hole NATO. At some point, one has to accept he is trying to get the band back together and the NATO Jewish Nazi Biolab Gay Super Soldiers are just a smoke screen for the gullible to consume. It isn't like he hasn't said this in the past. Old men don't just throw out their bucket list when they still think it is achievable.

quote:

---

But plenty of Democrats voted for and continue to defend their vote, for war in Iraq. And who gives a flying frick if they renege on their vote a decade later really? When it counted, they voted for it. Many republican delgates have voiced regret over their votes as well.

---

Since politicians failed us, maybe its time to send Metallica to Moscow again and put an end to this thing.

Fill that thing up with helium. Watch the Russians shite themselves when a HIMARS balloon goes floating over them.

Maybe continue this sewage of the board its made for...called the political board.

Reports of another ammo depot in belgorod on fire. Another smoking accident……???

LINK

That’s going to take a while to approach.

This will be my last response to your tribal obsessed nonsense, k?

quote:

---

You specifically called out republicans in your original response while letting all the Democrats who voted with said republicans off the hook.

---

No, what I originally wrote was this:

quote:

---

It's a cute parlor trick that Russian apologists on the right, Chapo Traphouse-syle leftists, and horseshoe liberals like Glen Greenwald try to do. Where they point out historical American hypocrisy(often things they once supported, like certain Republicans and Glen Greenwald supporting the Iraq War), as if just holding that hypocrisy up somehow insulates another sovereign nation from committing an equally egregious act(often one they have bizarre sympathies or blindspots to). Or that America, for some absurdist reason, must permanently refuse to come to the aid of allies that are being victimized under unjust wars of aggression.

---

Make SPECIAL note of the bolded and underlined, for they are the SUBJECT of that paragraph. So when I say ""certain Republicans and Glen Greenwald supporting the Iraq war" that is directly referencing back to the underlined subject: Russian apologists. "certain" Republicans was specifically qualified because not all Russian Republican Apologists are also Iraq War apologists.

I can't believe I am actually explaining this to a grown man, but here we are....

FYI, if I were pushed on who I caucus with more often than not of the factions mentioned? It's the Chapo faction, the one I criticized for shite views on this particular topic(cause they are increasingly shite views bordering on apologism). Not everyone is going into every conversation like a PR robot for their tribe like you.....