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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree with this, but I think you would also agree that we would flip the frick out of Canada and Mexico decided to pursue exclusive relations with Russia and China over us
Why would Canada or Mexico want to move under a defense umbrella led by Russia?
Your what if’s makes no sense.
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:31 pm to DabosDynasty
That aircraft sub hunters or just regular ship movement?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:31 pm to IAmNERD
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Meh, you would have a point if that's where you stopped and I would have given you a and we could agree that both sides pulled some hypocritical mental gymnastics...but you just HAD to throw in that deflection bit even after you conceded that you were in fact being hypocritical.
If I want to be pedantic about it my guy, I conceded the point even though it was unrelated to what I even wrote.
That sentence was directed at current people using hypocrisy to shield Russia and their invasion of Ukraine that also happened to support the Iraq War back then too(RogerShuber Republicans and Glen Greenwald types, which, FYI, he was a supporter of the Iraq war). I am not really aware of a lot of Democrats currently that don't either fit in the glen Greenwald or Chapo category that are making ridiculous pro-Russia America is wrong for Ukraine cause of Bush type arguments, do you?
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:31 pm to Bronc
take to political board
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:33 pm to Bronc
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Fair point, lots of Dems voted for war, bought Bush's bullshite, even helped carry water for it, but they didn't continue defending it for half a decade and well past the point where the excuse of being lied to no longer worked.
But you're deflecting, do better
We knew about Chem weapons mfg both in Iraq and here in the USA after 9/11.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
We may not agree politically on everything, but I pray with all my heart that you win your fight.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:35 pm to Bronc
That was when Greenwald owned a Gay Porn production company and gay escort websites for Rio.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:38 pm to Chromdome35
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but I pray with all my heart that you win your fight.
same here. went through Chemo back in 2006. Still cancer free, but body has never been the same......
doc told me its a fine line between killing the cancer and killing the patient.....
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree with this, but I think you would also agree that we would flip the frick out of Canada and Mexico decided to pursue exclusive relations with Russia and China over us
Sure but would we invade them? We keep our neighbors generally happy by not being a massive a-hole. Russia doesn't even have that level of tact and most every country bordering them would pick up and move a continent away if that were feasible. Russia is like an a-hole dude that can't keep a woman because he beats here then gets mad when someone that treats her at least slightly better turns her head.
Russia has done its best (they just ain't good at it) to shift its influence to Central and South America. Guess what we didn't invade Venezuela in '08, '13, or '18 when Russia sent nuclear strategic bombers there. We didn't invade them when '06 when they tried to establish a military base off the coast or when they sent warships in '08. We didn't invade Nicaragua when they allowed Russia ships, planes and troops to operate on their soil multiple times in the last 10 or so years. This is just a sample of their "incursions" into our hemisphere that didn't result in us invading a country.
Russia is physically stuck where they are, it is not the best strategic position but it is what it is. If they weren't assholes the previous Soviet states wouldn't be running to the West. We can't help the fact they beat their girlfriends but we shouldn't let them abduct and rape them either.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:51 pm to jeffsdad
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That aircraft sub hunters or just regular ship movement?
Looks like capable of both, but I’m sure someone else ITT can provide more actual detail. I just googled. I did find a P-8 Poseidon confirmed the Moskva was sinking at the time upon request. That one took off from Italy. Unsure of the current patrol’s origin.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:55 pm to DabosDynasty
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@WarMonitors · 53m ??If Moldova asks Ukraine, AFU will take Transnistria in 3 days — Arestovich wake up mom, new “3 days” statement just dropped.
Some OSINT accounts I follow are saying some of the recon flights near Moldova haven't been that common before now. Wonder if there is really smoke to these rumors?
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:58 pm to DabosDynasty
It's a multirole aircraft. ASW as well as surveillance, including ground surveillance.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:01 pm to Burhead
With Ukraine's air defenses and cruise missiles it would be risky for Russia to attack Moldova by air or sea.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:01 pm to REG861
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It's a dictator trying to resuscitate a third rate empire.
He is exactly a dictator. A strong man. He is a menace with no adherence to any norms of humanity. And he is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union piece by piece. It's hard to imagine he can get away with it.
Oh well, fight him by proxy now or do with more people later. To the victor go the spoils.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:06 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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He is exactly a dictator. A strong man.
Which is appealing to some people. Thus the Putin fanboyism among some in the west. Including some who by all logic should be 100% opposed to him on an ideological basis.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:11 pm to Obtuse1
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Sure but would we invade them?
We have a poor track record. Missiles in Cuba and we were ready to go.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:12 pm to RLDSC FAN
I don't know if this has been posted (I tend to skim very quickly when the tankies are swarming) but here's an article about the big Russian convoy that got bogged down early:
From the BBC
From the BBC
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:12 pm to Jim Rockford
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With Ukraine's air defenses and cruise missiles it would be risky for Russia to attack Moldova by air or sea.
Not so much as Russia doing something but I'm talking about Ukraine deciding to go in with approval from the Moldovan government.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:14 pm to Chromdome35
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We may not agree politically on everything, but I pray with all my heart that you win your fight.
Its all good
No chance in hell that I lose for a long time. 
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:17 pm to Bronc
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If I want to be pedantic about it my guy, I conceded the point even though it was unrelated to what I even wrote
It was totally related since you, for whatever reason (but we really know with your progressive posting history), only called out republicans in your post. But plenty of Democrats voted for and continue to defend their vote, for war in Iraq. And who gives a flying frick if they renege on their vote a decade later really? When it counted, they voted for it. Many republican delgates have voiced regret over their votes as well. Doesn't make a hill of beans now. When the chips were down, they shoved all in...
You're just mad you got called on your bias. That's all.
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