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Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:21 pm to
ok didnt know about the restrictions. thanks for the info
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:00 pm to
My understanding is that the discussion about "restrictions" has been overhyped.

I believe that the only real restriction that exists is the incorporation of Starlink terminals into actual weapons.

Specifically, Ukraine was putting Starlink terminals inside kamikaze naval strike drones that they were building, and Starlink has blocked that.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:19 pm to
Bloomberg:. Ukraine will train Ukrainian pilots to fly Typhoons
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:26 pm to
No, that tweet is not what the UK said or what Bloomberg reported. The UK said that they are going to start training Ukrainian pilots to fly Western aircraft. It could be Typhoons, or it could be some other NATO aircraft.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:28 pm to
This is why it was a bad idea for Ukraine to hype up this latest "big Russian offensive," and it's why Ukrainian officials have switched now to downplaying it. There's a significant chunk of the US population that only wants to support a winner.

Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:43 pm to
Sounds like we are days away from Moldova having a Nazi problem
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

Sounds like we are days away from Moldova having a ________ problem


Fill in the blank:
a) Nazi
b) NATO
c) Bio-lab
d) Jewish
e) All of the above

FIFY
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:53 pm to
Romania might have something to say about this.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

US tells Ukraine it won’t send ATACMS. Sending them to Ukraine would dwindle US stockpiles and harm the US military’s readiness for future fights, US officials said


LINK

quote:

?Russia does not have the strength to attack Ukraine from Transnistria, NATO Deputy Secretary General said.

Moscow is planning a coup d'etat in Moldova, but will not be able to cordon off Ukraine with the help of forces in the Transnistrian region.

Right now, Russia does not have enough forces to encircle Ukraine from behind with the help of Transnistria, and such a plan still exists, then capture Odesa, and then get a land corridor to western Transnistria. We do not see Russia having the strength to do this"


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Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:02 pm to
Speculation about Russian financial duress

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:20 pm to
Major Vadim Khodak, 4th Tank Brigade, originally from Dnipro, describes his experience of training on Leopard tanks in Poland so far.

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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
A very interesting interview with Colonel Oleh Faydyuk, Commander of the 45th Separate Artillery Brigade. He talks about the soldier's training, the beginning of the war, the Kharkiv offensive, the needs of the UA army, and recent battles in Bakhmut and Soledar.

This really is an interesting interview, highly recommended. Lots of nuggets of info.

https://wartranslated.com/pravda-com-ua-interview-ukrainian-colonel-oleh-faydyuk/

quote:


(Q): How long did it take you to turn a man in sneakers and jeans, who was living his civilian life a few hours ago, into an artilleryman?

(A): We had very limited time, first of all. Secondly, the most motivated people came to us on the first day, which had a lot to do with it. So in 10-14 days, we were ready to participate in combat operations. We learned very quickly.

The fact that we had many IT people join us definitely played a big role. So it took them 2-4 days to explain the work specifics at the artillery reconnaissance and fire control points.

Q: And if we talk about the people who work directly on the howitzers, was two weeks enough for them too?
A: Yes. It all depends on the teachers. Our classes were personally taught by the commander of the 59th Division, Lieutenant Colonel Churbanov, who is a very good methodologist. He also had two smart battery commanders who participated in the fighting from 2014 to 2016, during the first mobilization. They came back to us by phone.

And thanks to this, it is very easy to train a gunner and a gun commander in two weeks. In 2006, when I was still a battery commander and we went to the training ground for a month, and a half a year, no one was particularly engaged in combat training. The soldiers went on patrols, cleaned the territory, whitewashed… Sometimes they fired.

Nowadays, I, or any career officer who have been in the military for at least six months, can train a gunner in two weeks from an average citizen. No matter who he was in civilian life – an IT specialist, a janitor, a manager. Another example is the time it takes for our military to master Western weapons. To be more precise, it is correct to say not “Western” but “weapons provided by partners”. For the French or Americans, it takes six months to train on the M777. Ours takes 2-3 weeks.

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(Q): What is the ratio of Western to Ukrainian and Soviet weapons in your brigade?
(A): As of now, it is 50/50. I hope that after Ramstein, another divizion will be rearmed.

(Q): What Western weapons do you have? The M777, for example, is publicly known.
(A): We also have TRF – French guns. It is a predecessor to Caesar, but it is a trailer mounted weapon, very similar to FH70, which everyone has probably seen.

(Q): Can you use high-precision Excalibur shells on the TRF?
(A): I can’t answer that… Theoretically, of course, yes – the caliber is the same.

(Q): How do you assess the role of Western weapons in this war? Would Ukraine be able to defend itself or counterattack without Western weapons?
(A): The point here is not that Western weapons are available in principle, but in logistics. Why did we start using Western weapons more?

Not only because it is more accurate but because, in addition to its advantages, it also has disadvantages. The main reason is the lack of 122 and 152 millimeters of Soviet-style ammunition. Since the world has more stocks of 155mm, we switched to it. And now the percentage of 155s being used is ten times higher than 152s.

Just like in the First World War, logistics worked in the Second World War. Whoever has a larger supply of resources wins.

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(I): But, for example, the infantry has discovered a target, reported it to you, and what happens next – what is the sequence of actions?
(O): There are several ways. First, the infantry sees something and directly contacts me via the combat control chat, gives me the approximate coordinates and asks me to deliver a fire strike. If there is no Internet, then radio stations are used, but this is a longer way.

Now almost all infantry battalions have Mavic, some have Matrice, and the super-fashionable ones even have some kind of “wings”, i.e. airplane-type drones. And that’s all they do – they stream from the drone. I don’t even have to give the coordinates, I can see where the enemy is and strike there.

(I): What is the speed of your reaction to such a message?
(O): If we saw something right now [nodding to the monitors ], it would take three to five minutes, and a shell would land there.

The system can turn around and fire, or it may need time to move, get into a combat position, and practice the actions of the gunners – then it will take 20-30 minutes.

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By the way, they don’t have as many shells as they did at the beginning. Not even shells, but charges. A shell is a cast-iron block, it can be from 1941 or 1943, and it will not be harmed if no one drops it or cracks it.

But the gunpowder, that is, the charge deteriorates. We lived in the same state, or to be more precise, we lived under the occupation of the Soviet Union. So knowing what kind of warehouses they have and how they store it all, I’m sure that half of them don’t have gunpowder anymore. That is why they are also saving a lot of money now.

Gunpowder is not poured into a can, it is stored in special bags, and the bags tear over time. Accordingly, the initial velocity of the projectile will not be the same. It won’t work to put all the shells like candy in one plate.



This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Burhead
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
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@sentdefender Earlier today 3 Russian Military Aircraft were detected inside of Polish Airspace which caused 2 Dutch F-35s to be Scrambled in order to Intercept and Escort said Aircraft back into International Airspace.
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:27 pm to
Putin is suppose to make a big speech on Feb. 21. He is going to escalate this and try to use sheer numbers to go for broke. I believe he is going to sell this as the 2nd Great Patriot War. Us against them. Defend the motherland to the death kind of thing.

There is a new law that has just been passed in Russia that states that he can send in conscripts to a foreign land as "peacekeepers". If he pulls something off in Moldova this may be what he has in mind.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

US tells Ukraine it won’t send ATACMS. Sending them to Ukraine would dwindle US stockpiles and harm the US military’s readiness for future fights, US officials said


That's a good article, Stormy -- thanks for the link.

Some other interesting bits from the article:

quote:

One workaround being considered by Kyiv is to ask for Washington’s approval to buy ATACMS from an allied country that operates the weapon, using military financing from the United States, according to one of the people familiar with the discussions. The list of ATACMS users includes South Korea, Poland, Romania, Greece, Turkey, Qatar and Bahrain.


South Korea makes ATACMS under license, so maybe they can make some replacements for Poland.

quote:

One person close to the Ukrainian government said that Kyiv doesn’t anticipate any new weapons in the assistance package Austin will announce this week. The drawdowns from existing stocks and contracts for new weapons won’t include ATACMS or F-16 warplanes, but will focus on ammunition, munitions, air defense and spare parts.

Whatever the U.S. package — and other pledges by partner nations — Ukraine is looking for more secrecy when those governments announce that assistance.

Officials in Kyiv are growing concerned that some of the more detailed lists coming out of Washington and elsewhere could risk providing too much information to their Russian foes, who can prepare defenses or countermeasures if they know what they’ll be facing, according to one of the people.


That's really interesting. It's what Finland, Turkey, and some other nations have done from the start. People figure out some of what they send when it starts showing up in battlefield videos.

But I think that the US will still basically announce what we're sending, because I think that the US public expects the accountability. I think that HARM was the only thing that we sent without a specific announcement. But perhaps the British will send Storm Shadow missiles without an announcement, and Russia will find out when Kerch explodes.

And yes, the US won't be announcing any new systems this week. That would happen on the 24th, when Biden goes to Poland and meets with Zelensky on the anniversary of the invasion.
Posted by NOLATiger163
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

Russia is banking on a numbers game. They think they can sustain casualties on a rate that Ukraine can only keep up with for a time.
SIAP but I think to Putin the high casualties recently sustained are a feature, not a bug. Why?
(1) He is gaining some territory, at least / especially near Bakhmut, in exchange for the Russian dead and wounded.
(2) The casualties appear to be mostly (or at least disproportionately) from the population of undesirables (prisoners), which he's reducing in a far more politically-palatable way than simply executing people for what are not generally regarded as capital crimes would be.
(3) He is proving to the world that he has little regard for human life, even the lives of his own people, therefore we should be more worried about him using nuclear, chemical, and/or biological weapons, and should offer him a better deal.

(Well, I'm not saying he isn't crazy and/or sociopathic.)
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:23 pm to
Found this while chasing down confirmation of the Russian planes in Polish air space.

It's a CBC interview with a Canadian born medic who has been over there from close to the start of the war, most recently based in Soledar and Bahkmut.

Sober and realistic insights on many aspects of the war and the issues they face.

Youtube CBS - What a canadian medic has witnessed on the front lines
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:32 pm to
That could be true but it only gets him so far. The prisoners are getting wary and he's running out of ethnic minorities. If he doesn't wrap this up quickly, the next mobilization will have to sweep up middle class Russians from Moscow and St Petersburg who have so far avoided service. That's a whole different proposition, which is why Putin has been trying to avoid it. But they're the only untapped pool of manpower he has left.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:57 pm to
That’s a truly fascinating interview. The medic’s accent is truly bizarre, and that journalist appears to be fantastic at his job.

Posted by NOLATiger163
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

That could be true but it only gets him so far. The prisoners are getting wary and he's running out of ethnic minorities. If he doesn't wrap this up quickly, the next mobilization will have to sweep up middle class Russians from Moscow and St Petersburg who have so far avoided service. That's a whole different proposition, which is why Putin has been trying to avoid it. But they're the only untapped pool of manpower he has left.
I hear you, and I'm sure there's considerable truth to what you wrote. But according to one source ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country), Russia has (had?) 471,490 prisoners. If we assume, say, 10% are female and 20% are non-able-bodied males, that would mean over 330,000 available to ... redeem themselves by fighting for the glory of mother Russia (or however he might phrase it). And while the prisoners may well be getting wary, there's not much practical limit to how much pressure Putin can put on them: 'We'll torture you for a month and then execute you unless you go fight. If you go fight, at least you have a chance to live and get your old life back.'

And so if say 50,000 Russian prisoners have deployed so far, it's not hard to imagine that another 200,000 of them could be ... persuaded. Don't you think?
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