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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:59 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:59 pm to DabosDynasty
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Large overlap of our needs and Israel’s directly in ME, but it’s also 300k of OUR rounds. Argument obviously is there that conflict with Russia is also ancillary reason they remained in the first place. Just curious from those with much more direct knowledge than I.
The last time Israel went in to Lebanon they had to stop operations because they ran out of everything, mostly small arms ammo (5.56) and 155 shells. So this stash has been sitting there since then. Better used in Ukraine than sitting in Israel.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:15 pm to nitwit
isw update
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Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced on January 17 that he will implement Russian President Vladimir Putin’s directive to conduct large-scale military reforms between 2023-2026 to expand Russia’s conventional armed forces, likely in preparation for a protracted war in Ukraine and also to set conditions to build a significantly stronger Russian military quickly. Shoigu stated that Putin ordered Russian authorities to increase the number of Russian military personnel to 1.5 million (from the current 1.35 million). Shoigu outlined that the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) will institute unspecified “large-scale changes” in the composition, complement, and administrative divisions of the Russian Armed Forces between 2023-2026.[1] Shoigu noted that Russia also needs to strengthen the key structural components of the Russian Armed Forces. Shoigu announced that Russia will reestablish the Moscow and Leningrad military districts, form a new army corps in Karelia (on the Finnish border), form new self-sufficient force groupings in occupied Ukraine, and form 12 new maneuver divisions.[2] Shoigu added that Russia needs to increase its capabilities to adequately prepare its forces by developing more training grounds and increasing the number of trainers and specialists.
These reforms demonstrate Russia’s intent to reform the Russian military to conduct large-scale conventional warfighting in general and not just for the current war against Ukraine, as ISW has previously assessed.[4] It is unclear if the Russian military will be able to grow as Shoigu described within three years.[5] Russia can nominally form new divisions but it remains unclear if Russia can generate enough forces to fully staff them to their doctrinal end strengths amid an ongoing war. Shoigu made previous announcements about Russian military reforms that never came to fruition, such as in May 2022 when he called for the formation of 12 new Western Military District (WMD) units of unspecified echelon by the end of 2022 and for the Russian MoD to recruit 100,000 reservists in August 2021.
Russia’s ability to generate large-scale rapid change in its military capacity depends on President Vladimir Putin’s willingness to redirect large portions of the federal budget to a military buildup and putting Russia on something like a war footing for several years. There are signs that Putin might be willing to do so. Reform and expansion on the scale Shoigu outlined will not happen in time to affect the war in Ukraine materially for many months, but it could change the correlation of forces going into 2024, and it could establish conditions for a much more formidable Russian military threat to its neighbors, including NATO, in the coming years. Ukraine likely continues to have a window of opportunity into and through the summer if the West provides it the support it needs
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Putin may announce a second mobilization wave to expand his army in the coming days—possibly as early as January 18. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov announced on January 17 that Putin will deliver a speech in St. Petersburg on January 18 in commemoration of the 80th anniversary of Soviet forces breaking the Nazi siege of Leningrad, Putin’s hometown.[10] Putin is fond of using symbolic dates to address the Russian people, and some Russian pro-war milbloggers noted that he will seize this opportunity to either declare mobilization or war with Ukraine.
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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is trying to improve professionalism within the Russian armed forces and likely test and improve the effectiveness of its chains of command down to the small unit level. Several milbloggers commented on a reported list of guidelines for Russian troops in Ukraine that restricts the use of personal vehicles and certain personal electronic devices in the combat zone and sets stricter guidelines for the grooming standards of men on the frontlines.
The Russian MoD may have additionally issued these guidelines in an attempt to gauge the effectiveness of Russian commanders in executing orders. The issue of grooming on the frontlines, as ISW previously reported on January 16, has been a sticking point between lower-level commanders and undisciplined troops who refuse to obey orders to shave.[15] While the basic presentation of frontline troops may seem like a trivial matter, in reality, adherence to or disregard for such standards can indicate the professionalism or lack thereof of conventional forces.
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Several prominent voices in the pro-war information space, including Russian and Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) officials, seized on these guidelines to support further criticisms of the Russian MoD, suggesting that the Russian MoD will likely face stiff resistance in continued attempts at professionalization and modernization. Moscow City Duma Deputy Andrei Medvedev complained that the Russian MoD is ignoring real issues on the front and instead banning the movement of personal vehicles in combat zones, which, Medvedev noted, restricts the ability of volunteers to provide servicemen on the frontline with crowdfunded vehicles and supplies that the MoD has failed to procure for them.
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Serbian President Alexander Vucic called on the Wagner Group to cease recruitment in Serbia on January 16. Vucic posed a rhetorical question, asking why Wagner is violating Serbia’s laws.[18] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin stated that Wagner does not operate in Serbia and claimed that no Serbian nationals are enlisted in Wagner detachments because “Serbs themselves are doing an excellent job at handling their problems.”[19] Prigozhin’s statement may be a form of sarcasm, given recent tensions between Kosovo and Serbia.[20] Russian sources posted footage on January 17 purporting to show Serbian volunteers serving in a Russian volunteer battalion deployed to Zaporizhia Oblast, although ISW has not observed any Serbian nationals serving in Ukraine as a part of the Wagner Group.[21]
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:15 pm to WeeWee
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That is an awfully big challenge for Russia. It is 260 km from the border of Ukraine and Belarus. There is also only one railroad and one highway route running from Belarus to Lyiv and unless Russia wants to enter Poland it will be unable to launch a pincher movement or any kind of multi prong attack. Any offensive towards Lviv would have to be a frontal attack down the E85 highway. Russia would also have to protect a massive task in securing their flank to protect their GLOC which again would be over 200 km long. It sounds like a bridge too far to me but Putin might be that desperate.
Based on what we’ve seen from the Russians thus far, I think you’re most likely right. They’ve had a huge advantage in material since the start of the war. But that advantage has been thus far squandered due to their complete lack of familiarity to even the most basic tenants of combined arms maneuver warfare. They went into this war thinking they could rely on the old “Russian steamroller”. They were proven wrong. I highly doubt they’ve had time to put right all the things wrong in their army.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:17 pm to StormyMcMan
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Key Takeaways
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced on January 17 that he will implement Russian President Vladimir Putin's directive to conduct large-scale military reforms between 2023-2026 to expand Russia's conventional armed forces, likely in preparation for a protracted war in Ukraine and also to set conditions to build a significantly stronger Russian military quickly.
Putin may announce a second mobilization wave in the coming days, possibly as soon as January 18.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is trying to improve professionalism within the Russian armed forces and likely test and improve the effectiveness of its chains of command down to the small unit level.
Several prominent voices in the pro-war information space seized on these guidelines to support further criticisms of the Russian MoD, suggesting that the MoD will likely face stiff resistance.
Serbian President Alexander Vucic called on the Wagner Group to cease recruitment in Serbia.
Russian forces continued to conduct limited counterattacks near Kreminna as Ukrainian officials continued to suggest that Russian forces may be preparing for a decisive effort in Luhansk Oblast.
Russian forces continued offensive actions across the Donetsk Oblast front line.
The Russian information space is struggling to portray tactical Russian gains around Soledar as operationally significant.
Russian forces in Kherson Oblast continue to struggle to maintain their logistics efforts in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast due to Ukrainian strikes.
A Russian occupation official claimed that Putin will make an "important statement" pertaining to the war in Ukraine on January 18.
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin may be attempting to establish the Wagner Group as a legal entity in Russia.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:29 pm to Obtuse1
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Ward Carroll did a video about the Russian "carrier" Kuznetsov. The story he tells about when he was on the USS America in 1995 and they hosted high-ranking officers from the then broken down Kuznetsov including the admiral is gold. If you just want to listen to this it starts about 7:15.
Mazut is the equivalent of Bunker C used by most ships during WWII. It fueled boilers which fed steam turbines geared to shafts. As for speed, Dad was on the USS Nashville in 1940, sinking German U Boats and the also captured a German freighter BEFORE WWII. Odd that the freighter was diesel engine. The kicker is that US ships went much faster than "top speed" They did 45+ knots once going after a German U boat near a US freighter. Might have been wear and tear on boilers with extra fuel as well as higher pressure via more flow from boiler feedwater pumps.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:55 pm to CitizenK
Looks like Putin has a planned address tomorrow
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:22 pm to DabosDynasty
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With stockpiles in the United States strained and American arms makers not yet able to keep up with the pace of Ukraine’s battlefield operations, the Pentagon has turned to two alternative supplies of shells to bridge the gap: one in South Korea and the one in Israel, whose use in the Ukraine war has not been previously reported.
… The United States has so far sent or pledged to send Ukraine just over one million 155-millimeter shells. A sizable portion of that — though less than half — has come from the stockpiles in Israel and South Korea, a senior U.S. official said
… The Ukrainian army uses about 90,000 artillery rounds a month, about twice the rate they are being manufactured by the United States and European countries combined, U.S. and Western officials say. The rest must come from other sources, including existing stockpiles or commercial sales.
… “The U.S. is making up the difference from its stockpiles, but that’s doubtfully a sustainable solution,” said Mr. Kofman, who is the director of Russian studies at CNA, a research institute in Arlington, Va. “It means the U.S. is taking on risk elsewhere.”
… Israel was allowed to withdraw American munitions from the stockpile during its war with Hezbollah in the summer of 2006 and again during operations against Hamas in the Gaza Strip in 2014,
Stockpile drawdown while Ukraine uses them up faster than can be manufactured is a little concerning. I think we had to guarantee transfers to Israel if need arises.
Korea withdrawal went to resupply stock we sent Ukraine. We are also buying 100,000 rounds made in Korea to also replenish our own direct stock that we transport to Ukraine. Both keep us as the end user to avoid breaking South Korean export laws.
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The South Korean government did not want artillery rounds marked R.O.K. (Republic of Korea) showing up in Ukraine in violation of South Korean arms export rules.
A compromise was reached. Artillery shells from the Korean stockpile would be sent to replenish American stocks elsewhere.
The United States has also agreed to buy 100,000 new artillery shells from South Korea, a deal previously reported by The Wall Street Journal.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:24 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’m far from being a “fanboy” of anyone in this war. But I’ll say this, one of the greatest mistakes the Germans made in both world wars against Russia was assuming they had to be running out of reserves.
Worth repeating. Russia ain't going home easily.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:37 pm to DabosDynasty
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Agree, but more so concerned with our own direct needs in the region or even using the region to cut delivery is said artillery drastically to a new hot zone since it’s sort of in the middle of our major foes. Large overlap of our needs and Israel’s directly in ME, but it’s also 300k of OUR rounds. Argument obviously is there that conflict with Russia is also ancillary reason they remained in the first place. Just curious from those with much more direct knowledge than I.
Why are you concerned about our stockpiles? Who are we going to go to war with in the next few years? Russia? That is a solid no because Russia has realized it was a paper tiger and despite what its media says it knows it has bitten off more than it can chew with Ukraine so they are not going to start anything with anyone else. China? Not likely. China is still > 10 years away from having the amphibious capability to threaten any of our Pacific allies. Plus China's military is structured similar to Russia's, similar technology, and has similar training. If the Chinese are smart they will see that the Russian tech, tactics, and training are no match for the western tech, tactics, and training so it will need to reorganize its military if it wants to take on the USA or any of our allies. Iran? Possibly but unlikely given the civil unrest going on inside Iran. North Korea? Possibly but if fighting does break out we will be mainly supporting the ROK forces which have their own stockpiles and would allow us time to ramp up production.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:56 pm to Darth_Vader
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That is an awfully big challenge for Russia. It is 260 km from the border of Ukraine and Belarus. There is also only one railroad and one highway route running from Belarus to Lyiv and unless Russia wants to enter Poland it will be unable to launch a pincher movement or any kind of multi prong attack. Any offensive towards Lviv would have to be a frontal attack down the E85 highway. Russia would also have to protect a massive task in securing their flank to protect their GLOC which again would be over 200 km long. It sounds like a bridge too far to me but Putin might be that desperate.
Based on what we’ve seen from the Russians thus far, I think you’re most likely right. They’ve had a huge advantage in material since the start of the war. But that advantage has been thus far squandered due to their complete lack of familiarity to even the most basic tenants of combined arms maneuver warfare. They went into this war thinking they could rely on the old “Russian steamroller”. They were proven wrong. I highly doubt they’ve had time to put right all the things wrong in their army.
I agree with all that with one exception. Russia did not go into this war with the Russian steamroller mentality. They went into this war thinking that could shock and awe Ukraine with a blitzkering attack on several fronts and the Ukrainian government would collapse. They did not actually expect to the Ukrainians to fight back. After all Russia considered Ukrainians to be Russians who forgot that they were Russians. When that plan failed and Russia "strategically and pulled back from Kyiv" in order to focus on the Donbas is when they resorted to the Russian steamroller tactics. If they try to use the Russian steamroller tactics to attack Lviv the Ukrainians can use the terrain to their advantage. Not only is there only 1 rail road and 1 highway for Russia to advance along, but that rail road and highway has to cross multiple rivers but also runs in valleys between hills and small branches of the Carpathian mountains. Those hills, forested areas, and mountains have been a used to slow and defeat armies all the way back to before the time of the Roman empire. Plus those valleys run diagonally across Russia's line of advance and would force the Russians to travel in a southwest direction to advance on Lviv. The Russian forces would be confined to an area of operation only 60 km wide and pinned up against the Polish border by the time they advanced 1/4 of the way to Lviv and that front gets narrower as they approach Lviv. Ukrainian conventional artillery and HIMARs would have a field day because it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:03 pm to supadave3
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Worth repeating. Russia ain't going home easily.
Everyone likes to focus on WW2 and the Soviet steamroller but what about WW1? The Russian soldiers tired of being used as machine gun fodder, tired of lacking proper equipment, etc mutinied. A few more major victories by Ukraine and history will repeat itself. Eventually Russia will run out of convicts whose options are charge the Ukrainian positions with the small hope of getting pardoned or die a slow death in a Russian prison.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:05 pm to DabosDynasty
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Looks like Putin has a planned address tomorrow
Another round of mobilization is coming.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:28 pm to Chromdome35
quote:We have our problems but it's nice to know we can still swing our dick around when we want to.
US sending 300K artillery rounds from our Israel stockpile to Ukraine...
Pentagon is tapping into a vast but little-known stockpile of American ammunition in Israel to help meet Ukraine’s dire need for artillery shells in the war with Russia...
The stockpile provides arms and ammunition for the Pentagon to use in Middle East conflicts.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:34 pm to Lakeboy7
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The last time Israel went in to Lebanon they had to stop operations because they ran out of everything, mostly small arms ammo (5.56) and 155 shells. So this stash has been sitting there since then. Better used in Ukraine than sitting in Israel.
Was this stash of ammo just sitting around waiting on someone in the US to give the go ahead to use?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:47 pm to WeeWee
I honestly don’t think S Korea would even need our help if the north attacked them. Of course we would but they have built a first rate military that, while not as large as the north, is night and day more advanced and better trained. Kim would probably be the one shitbag to let a nuke off the chain though before he would lose power though.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:51 pm to dallastigers
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Stockpile drawdown while Ukraine uses them up faster than can be manufactured is a little concerning. I think we had to guarantee transfers to Israel if need arises.
Yet not of the figures used includes the many hundreds of thousans of round scheduled for destruction and they aren't near expiration date. This was an Obama directive to lower inventory by a lot.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:19 pm to LSUPilot07
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I honestly don’t think S Korea would even need our help if the north attacked them. Of course we would but they have built a first rate military that, while not as large as the north, is night and day more advanced and better trained. Kim would probably be the one shitbag to let a nuke off the chain though before he would lose power though.
It’s interesting because 20 years ago when I followed these things much more closely the outlook for SK was much more dismal. But as so much time has gone by the outlook apparently has changed with SK evolving greatly and NK devolving.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:56 am to Jim Rockford
The helicopter crashed into a kindergarten. Currently, it is reported that 18 people are dead, 3 of them children. 29 wounded, 15 of them children.
Twitter video of crash site, note the casualty numbers have been updated since the posting of the vid
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Wider video of a larger area of crash site
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Twitter video of crash site, note the casualty numbers have been updated since the posting of the vid
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Wider video of a larger area of crash site
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 5:06 am
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