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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:26 pm to notiger1997
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:26 pm to notiger1997
I listen a lot to Times Radio. I believe it is the radio wing of the London Times. They have been very bullish on the outcome for Ukraine until recently. While they cover a wide array of opinions I’ve seen recently a concern that Russia will conduct war on the innocent civilians and essentially pulverize every place they can get missiles into. It is a war to break the will of the Ukrainians. And there is no moderating force in Russia to stop the Russians. So who will?
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:28 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Russia has the population to ready 700K or one million personnel if they wish. Can Ukraine prevail in this case? Doesn’t Russia have four times the population of Ukraine?
How are they going to supply and arm that many people when they are doing a crappy job of that for the army they have deployed now? Russia is fighting a squishy "coalition" that has 10x their GDP and much better technology. If the coalition and the Ukrainians hold together then Russia is totally fricked. But it will be determined by the political decisions so who knows? Relative population barely enters into it, other than Russia can kill off a lot of their citizens who are using inferior equipment taken out of storage, for little if any benefit. For some stupid typically Russian reason that has been their choice.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:28 pm to Chromdome35
US sending 300K artillery rounds from our Israel stockpile to Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/politics/ukraine-israel-weapons.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/politics/ukraine-israel-weapons.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is tapping into a vast but little-known stockpile of American ammunition in Israel to help meet Ukraine’s dire need for artillery shells in the war with Russia, American and Israeli officials say.
The stockpile provides arms and ammunition for the Pentagon to use in Middle East conflicts. The United States has also allowed Israel to access the supplies in emergencies.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:30 pm to Tigris
Well maybe so. But the Russians aren’t going to quit and the have the manpower to throw at it. And the will kill every civilian they can to accomplish their goal. So then what is the west going to do about it?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:37 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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listen a lot to Times Radio. I believe it is the radio wing of the London Times. They have been very bullish on the outcome for Ukraine until recently. While they cover a wide array of opinions I’ve seen recently a concern that Russia will conduct war on the innocent civilians and essentially pulverize every place they can get missiles into. It is a war to break the will of the Ukrainians. And there is no moderating force in Russia to stop the Russians. So who will?
What makes the dithering politicians of Europe (and this country) think Russia will stop if they get away with it in Ukraine? Yes, Russia has an inept, corrupt military, but if no one actually stands up to them they'll achieve their aims by default.
The way to prevent escalation was to prevent this war from happening by arming Ukraine to the teeth. Now the way to prevent escalation is to make sure Ukraine wins and wins decisively. If Putin succeeds in Ukraine he will be looking for new conquests.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:39 pm to lsu777
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Which Western MBTs besides the US Abrams are still in production?
As I think others pointed out, if NATO members provide their Leopards to Ukraine, is the US the only source available to replace them?
i think only abrams, leopards(only like 25 a year) and i think South Koreas tank.
The LeClerc MBT is currently not in production but France has offered it to both Croatia and India last year so apparently Nexter as the ability to restart production in a short period of time.
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do find it hilarious that russia finally starts getting t-90 to the battlefield.....we get video confirmation and within a few days...we start getting confirmation they have been destroyed using a fricking $1,500 AT-4 developed 40 years ago
so much for the t-90 being a game changer and being able to withstand direct hits
The Russian APS suffers from the same quality concerns as everything else made in Russia.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:40 pm to Jim Rockford
I agree man. I’m just a citizen. We have to get arms to them quickly.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:42 pm to Chromdome35
Does it say if the artillery rounds are 155 or 105 or is it a mixture? I would think it’s a little of both but that’s a shitload of rounds I hope they have replacement tubes at the ready because they will burn through barrels like they are going out of style. There’s your counteroffensive ammunition though.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:48 pm to WeeWee
I wasn’t a tanker so admittedly I may be out of my depth here but could an AT-4 even penetrate a T-90 with ERA even at close range? I know they can frick up everything else but a new MBT? That would be one impressive shot and somebody should find that soldier and promote his arse.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:50 pm to Darth_Vader
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If I was the CIC of Russian forces, this is what I’d do. From a strategic standpoint, it makes the most sense if you want to deliver a knockout blow. The question though is Russia capable of delivering such a blow?
That is an awfully big challenge for Russia. It is 260 km from the border of Ukraine and Belarus. There is also only one railroad and one highway route running from Belarus to Lyiv and unless Russia wants to enter Poland it will be unable to launch a pincher movement or any kind of multi prong attack. Any offensive towards Lviv would have to be a frontal attack down the E85 highway. Russia would also have to protect a massive task in securing their flank to protect their GLOC which again would be over 200 km long. It sounds like a bridge too far to me but Putin might be that desperate.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Takes balls to take on any MBT, no matter how old, with a fricking AT4
There is a reason that we are calling them the crazy Ukies.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:56 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Russia marched troops through minefields to explode mines in WWII. Their way of war hasn't really changed. 700,000 poorly trained grunts will just march into the meat grinder like they did the Bakmut area for several months.
The major difference is that today's Russian military is not made up of 18-30 years old, but include many civilians who to near "retirement" age. It will save on Russian pension fund, but out of shape with little training does not make a good force. Any young person with any degree of education has pretty much bugged out since Feb.
The major difference is that today's Russian military is not made up of 18-30 years old, but include many civilians who to near "retirement" age. It will save on Russian pension fund, but out of shape with little training does not make a good force. Any young person with any degree of education has pretty much bugged out since Feb.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:00 pm to WeeWee
I don’t think Ukraine is one bit worried about Lviv or Kyiv being under attack. The Russias proved they are terrible at combined arms tactics and I think they are still a little gun-shy from getting their asses kicked the first time they made a run on Kyiv but now the Ukrainians are better supplied, better trained and have a lot of combat experience not to mention western intelligence. HIMARS would have a field day on a convoy like the one they started the war out with.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:00 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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So then what is the west going to do about it?
Continue to give Ukraine bullets and HIMARs that seemed to work pretty well in the first year of the war. Russia has suffered > 100,000 killed and wounded so far.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:07 pm to LSUPilot07
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I don’t think Ukraine is one bit worried about Lviv or Kyiv being under attack.
They are concerned about having to supply another front. The Ukrainians like the Russians are very reliant of the railroads since its road network was crap before the war started. The Russian missile attacks have played havoc on the rail systems since a large part of the rail network is electrified. I do not know if Ukraine will have the logistics capability to support 2 major fronts.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:27 pm to Chromdome35
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US sending 300K artillery rounds from our Israel stockpile to Ukraine
This feels big for Ukraine. No idea how many rounds are in that stockpile but that also feels like a significant change in our ground capabilities in the region should something happen. Argument can be made for need/good in doing so in the region, but obviously we’ve maintained direct interest there for decades.
Can any of the vets here discuss how big or little this is to our own interests in the region from which they are coming from?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:28 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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So then what is the west going to do about it?
It looks like they may be giving Ukraine MBTs, patriot systems, Bradley’s, and more modern weapons and equipment. There is still numerous munitions that we haven’t given yet either. Cluster munitions and longer range munitions would be a game changer.
And we can take the ROE restrictions off for what they can and can’t attack. Bring the fight to Russia proper
Could also give anti-satellite (ASAT) munitions…..
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:33 pm to DabosDynasty
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but that also feels like a significant change in our ground capabilities in the region should something happen
From the article it sounds like Israel is also on board. Which means they aren’t concerned with the stock drawdown and says how they feel with Iran sending Russia drones and other weapons.
You can really start to see countries aligning themselves one side of the other.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:46 pm to tigeraddict
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From the article it sounds like Israel is also on board. Which means they aren’t concerned with the stock drawdown and says how they feel with Iran sending Russia drones and other weapons.
You can really start to see countries aligning themselves one side of the other.
Agree, but more so concerned with our own direct needs in the region or even using the region to cut delivery is said artillery drastically to a new hot zone since it’s sort of in the middle of our major foes. Large overlap of our needs and Israel’s directly in ME, but it’s also 300k of OUR rounds. Argument obviously is there that conflict with Russia is also ancillary reason they remained in the first place. Just curious from those with much more direct knowledge than I.
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