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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:35 am to
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:35 am to
I’m not so sure Russia wants to be playing so close to Poland’s border. If they were to try an attack on Lviv you’d have the entire Polish army staring at you from right across the border. Russia can’t even clothe 700,000 soldiers, much less outfit them with weapons and training.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73686 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:49 am to
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I mean, the idea that Russia might mount an offensive from Belarus into Western Ukraine to cut supply lines from Poland? That's certainly possible, and something that we've discussed and others have discussed.


If I was the CIC of Russian forces, this is what I’d do. From a strategic standpoint, it makes the most sense if you want to deliver a knockout blow. The question though is Russia capable of delivering such a blow?

quote:

But "Russia has readied 700,000 soldiers"? C'mon, man. That's as crazy as some of the fantasies of the Russian fanboys.


I’m far from being a “fanboy” of anyone in this war. But I’ll say this, one of the greatest mistakes the Germans made in both world wars against Russia was assuming they had to be running out of reserves.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2869 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:51 am to
I knew the K2 was in production (if one considers that western) but wasn't sure about the Leopard II. Comments made me think it was out of production.

Thanks.

Your comments regarding industrial base are spot-on. The west tends to have what is currently available with little ability to accelerate or re-start production. Does not bode well
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8170 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:02 pm to
Russia will need a shitload of equipped and trained troops, Hundreds of tanks, and thousands of armored vehicles and trucks to invade Ukraine via Belarus. Then they would have to penetrate further than they have yet to do anywhere else in this war. The terrain in that part of Ukraine is great for defenders and terrible for attackers as the Russians will have to funnel down the road network where they will be easy pickings for a couple of guys with a Javelin.

Russia doesn't have the troops, the equipment, ammo, the logistics network, or any element of surprise. I don't see it happening.

The furthest they might get would be the highway that runs along the northern border with Belarus which is about 60 km south of the border. I highlighted in Red all of the main roads that run north/south between Belarus and Ukraine.

This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:13 pm to
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The Netherlands intends to send a Patriot air defense system to Ukraine. Prime Minister Mark Rutte said this during the meeting with US President Joe Biden in the White House. Earlier, the US and Germany already announced that they would send Patriot air defenses to Ukraine.


LINK
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15766 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

I’m not so sure Russia wants to be playing so close to Poland’s border. If they were to try an attack on Lviv you’d have the entire Polish army staring at you from right across the border. Russia can’t even clothe 700,000 soldiers, much less outfit them with weapons and training.


There is a large swamp which straddles the border west of the Dnipro River. Partisans used it to operate from in WWII for harassing the Germans. It likely won't freeze this winter.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:18 pm to
Right. And NATO and Ukraine would see everything coming and have plenty of time to prepare. I absolutely agree that it wouldn't work.

But if Putin has ordered an invasion from Belarus, it might make more sense than a 2nd assault on Kyiv.

In any case, my point was to point out that this Igor Sushko guy is making outlandish claims without any evidence to back any of them up. He claimed to be quoting a Russian news outlet, but he has provided no link.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

new Russian T-90M Proryv-3 with Nakidka thermal camouflage burning after being hit by an AT-4.





Very efficient, an old rocket for a new tank. ANd it had "thermal camouflage" which apparently doesnt work against older technology. I bet a dollar it doesnt work against new technology either.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:31 pm to
Takes balls to take on any MBT, no matter how old, with a fricking AT4
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:38 pm to
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Takes balls to take on any MBT, no matter how old, with a fricking AT4




Gotta be close
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5910 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:41 pm to
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Germany has named as new defense minister Boris Pistorius


I googled him hoping his wife would be named Natasha so I could make a good rocky and bullwinkle spy joke.

According to wiki his partner’s name is . . . Doris.

Edited to add:

OK I sadly think a spy joke is still appropriate. Boris was a member of the German-Russian parliamentary friendship group early in his career and his current partner Doris is the ex-wife of Germany’s most pre-eminent useful idiot and Russian apologist - Gerhard Schroder.

I’m skeptical Boris and Doris are ready to green light the heavy guns to Ukraine.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted by pirate75
Member since Jan 2011
860 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:48 pm to
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The whole reason many of us support the effort to help Ukraine is to keep our brothers in our military from having to spill blood later

Much better for us if Ukraine spills the blood fighting for their own country

Much of the equipment we are giving them(note I didn’t say all) is outdated by our standards and was already set to be replaced


So many people just can't seem to understand this.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30521 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:24 pm to
Ward Carroll did a video about the Russian "carrier" Kuznetsov. The story he tells about when he was on the USS America in 1995 and they hosted high-ranking officers from the then broken down Kuznetsov including the admiral is gold. If you just want to listen to this it starts about 7:15.



YT
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:32 pm to
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So many people just can't seem to understand this.




because its not their guy in the WH. not mine either but you have to stand on princples and its either good or bad no matter who is in office. unfortunately many dont see it like that.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5090 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:36 pm to
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Boris Pistorius


Got to Love dat name!
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:38 pm to
At least they didn’t pick a woman this time.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24020 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 4:13 pm to
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Russia has readied 700,000 soldiers

I’m seeing a change in the opinions of the talking heads. Ukraine is in for a dismal period of time. Russia has the population to ready 700K or one million personnel if they wish. Can Ukraine prevail in this case? Doesn’t Russia have four times the population of Ukraine?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 4:23 pm to
That’s a cool story, but Russia still can’t support their troops at current numbers. How are they supposed to support more?
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 5:08 pm to
The logistics for transporting enough vodka for that many Russian folks in a foreign country are well beyond Russian capabilities.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8170 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:20 pm to
Current situation around Bakhmut

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1615503806732832768
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A close-up map of the approximate situation around the city of Bakhmut.

There have been no confirmed changes to control since the last update.



Animated map showing the changes
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1615152876518514688
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 6:23 pm
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