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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:45 pm to
Posted by Tigers2010a
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:45 pm to
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It is high by a factor of at least 2. Infrastructure remaining in Russian held places doesn’t support 600k troops.


What sources do you have for total deployed Russia troops around Ukraine? I have not been seeing sources for total deployed Russian troops but did hear the number in an interview.

Well that is 600K in three separate areas. 200k is already supported in the Ukraine. Then 200k in Belarus and another 200k opposite Kharkiv which are basically untouched by the war. I don't see infrastructure problems except maybe around Kharkiv.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:42 pm to
If you are getting numbers from the likes of Col MacGregor, he has been wrong on everything since Feb 24th
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:43 pm to
Russia has problems supplying under 200k in theatre with provisions and ammo this entire year
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:44 pm to
I have a really hard time believing that Russia has 600K troops in the field. That number feels way high to me, but I don't have anything to dispute it.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:57 pm to
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I have a really hard time believing that Russia has 600K troops in the field. That number feels way high to me, but I don't have anything to dispute it.


Conscripts and Mobiks in holding areas, Rosvgardia, air and naval forces, you may be getting close. They couldn't put anywhere near 6ook operational troops in the field.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:10 am to
isw update

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, December 11. This report discusses how the Belarusian regime’s support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well as Russian pressure on Belarus to become more involved further constrains Belarusian readiness and willingness to enter the war in Ukraine.

Russian officials consistently conduct information operations suggesting that Belarusian conventional ground forces might join Russia’s invasion of Ukraine...Belarus is extraordinarily unlikely to invade Ukraine in the foreseeable future whatever the course of these information operations. A Belarusian intervention in Ukraine, moreover, would not be able to do more than draw Ukrainian ground forces away from other parts of the theater temporarily given the extremely limited effective combat power at Minsk’s disposal.


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The Kremlin’s efforts to pressure Belarus to support the Russian offensive campaign in Ukraine are a part of a long-term effort to cement further control over Belarus


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The Belarusian regime’s support for the Russian invasion has made Belarus a cobelligerent in the war in Ukraine.


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Belarusian support for Russia’s war in Ukraine is likely degrading the Belarusian military’s material capacity to conduct conventional military operations of its own...Belarus is also likely drawing down its inventory of artillery munitions through munitions transfers to the Russian military...Belarusian officials are likely trying to conceal the amount of military equipment they are sending to Russia to support its invasion of Ukraine.


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The Belarusian military is likely facing constraints on its capacity to train current and new personnel due to its supporting role in Russian force generation efforts...The Belarusian military likely has a relatively limited capacity to train existing and new personnel.


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The degradation of the Russian military through devastating losses in Ukraine would also hinder the deployment of Belarusian mechanized forces to fight alongside Russian troops


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Lukashenko’s support for Russia’s war in Ukraine and Russian pressure on Belarus to join the fighting are likely causing friction within the Belarusian military...Belarusian personnel are certainly aware of the significant losses that Russian forces suffered in Ukraine and likely do not wish to experience the same result...Elements within the Belarusian military have shown resistance to the idea of entering the war in Ukraine.


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Lukashenko’s setting of information conditions likely further constrains Belarusian willingness to enter the war.


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Belarus is already unlikely to invade Ukraine due to internal dynamics within the country


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Belarusian entry in the war would at worst force Ukraine to temporarily divert manpower and equipment from current front lines.


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Belarus will continue to help Russia fight its war in Ukraine even though Lukashenko is highly unlikely to send his army to join the fighting


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Russian officials will continue to conduct information operations aimed at suggesting that Belarusian forces might invade Ukraine in order to pin Ukrainian forces at the Belarusian border. These information operations are extraordinarily unlikely to herald actual Belarusian intervention in the foreseeable future.


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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on December 11:

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) denied rumors on December 11 that General Valery Gerasimov resigned or was removed from his position as Chief of the General Staff.[38]

Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that fighting continues along the Svatove-Kreminna line and near Lyman amidst poor weather conditions.[39]

A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces transferred over 200 pieces of equipment from the Kherson direction to the Kupyansk direction, and geolocated footage shows Russian T-90 tanks in Luhansk Oblast headed west.[40] A Ukrainian official stated that a larger Russian force grouping does not currently pose a threat.[41]

Russian forces made marginal territorial gains around Bakhmut as Russian and Ukrainian sources reported continued fighting in the area.[42] A Ukrainian Armed Forces Eastern Group spokesperson stated that Russian forces changed tactics from using battalion tactical groups (BTGs) to smaller assault groups for offensive actions.[43]

Russian and Ukrainian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces struck Skadovsk, Hola Prystan, Oleshky, and Nova Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast, all along major Russian logistics lines.[44]

Russian and Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian military base in Melitopol, Zaporizhia Oblast.[45] One source claimed that the strike killed up to 200 Russian military personnel.[46]

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian occupation authorities intensified forced mobilization measures in occupied Ukraine.[47]

Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces face shortages of blood for wounded military personnel and are running donor drives in occupied Crimea.[48]

A Ukrainian partisan group claimed responsibility for setting fire to a Russian military barracks in Sovietske, Crimea.[49] Ukrainian and Russian officials reported that Russian authorities continued filtration and law enforcement crackdowns in occupied Ukraine.[50]
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 6:11 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
12 December 2022

On 8 December 2022, Russian presidential spokesman Dimitry Peskov rearticulated the main goals of the ‘special military operation’.He said that one of Russia’s main objectives was the ‘protection’ of residents of the Donbas and south-eastern Ukraine but claimed there was still much work to be done regarding ‘liberation’ of those territories.

Peskov’s comments suggest that Russia’s current minimum political objectives of the war remain unchanged.Russia is likely still aiming to extend control over all of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson Oblasts. Russian military planners likely still aim to prioritise advancing deeper into Donetsk Oblast.

However, Russia’s strategy is currently unlikely to achieve its objectives: it is highly unlikely that the Russian military is currently able to generate an effective striking force capable of retaking these areas.Russian ground forces are unlikely to make operationally significant advances within the next several months.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:34 am to
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claimed there was still much work to be done regarding ‘liberation’ of those territories.

No shite, it’s tough to make progress when you’re moonwalking your invasion.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:07 am to
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The Belarusian military is likely facing constraints on its capacity to train current and new personnel due to its supporting role in Russian force generation efforts...The Belarusian military likely has a relatively limited capacity to train existing and new personnel.


How can Lukashenko stay in power without his best staying home? Does Putin send FSB to help? If Lukashenko can send capable troops and stay in power, that is threading the needle to the Nth degree politically.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:58 pm to
From the Washington Post:

LINK

Russia-Iran military partnership ‘unprecedented’ and growing, officials say

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The relationship between Russia and Iran is becoming “a full-scale defense partnership” that threatens the Middle East and the rest of the world, a senior U.S. official said Friday.

National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said that “support is flowing both ways,” as Moscow offers “an unprecedented level of military and technical support” to Tehran in exchange for Iranian drones, and potentially ballistic missiles, for use in Ukraine.

The new assessment, citing intelligence reports, builds on previous U.S. reports of the sale of “hundreds” of Iranian drones, currently being used by Russia to attack Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

Now, “Russia is seeking to collaborate with Iran on areas like weapons development and training,” Kirby said. The Biden administration also had asserted previously that “dozens” of Iranian technicians went to Russian-occupied Crimea, and Russians were sent to Iran, for instructions on use of the drones.

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The sale of additional drones was discussed during at least two meetings between military and diplomatic officials from Russia and Iran in the past month, security officials from NATO and other U.S.-allied countries said. One senior military official briefed on details of the exchanges said Iran had agreed to supply up to 6,000 aircraft, mostly Shahed models of the type used by Russia in attacks on Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure since the summer.

The military official agreed to discuss the matter on the condition that his identity and nationality not be revealed, citing the sensitive nature of intelligence-collection efforts involved. A second official, from a NATO member state, confirmed that Iran had agreed to supply “thousands” of drones. Both officials also confirmed that Iranian ballistic missiles also were acquired by Russia.

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The senior military official, citing intelligence intercepts, said Iran agreed to supply designs as well as technical supervision for the planned Russian drone factory, which is expected to be located in the Tatarstan region. Iran is to receive payments of up to $1 billion, in addition to other, still unknown inducements, the official said.



I'm just editing this to say that 6000 drones is a crazy number.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:31 pm to
Iranian drones maintained by Russian techs. In other words, 47 operable drones.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:36 pm to
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as Moscow offers “an unprecedented level of military and technical support”




Hey Iran.....never mind
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2649 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:50 pm to
Note - in this case "blown up" equates to the supports being damaged. Remains to be seen if the bridge is disabled.

A bridge is blown up in occupied Melitopol

In Melitopol, a bridge connecting the city with the village of Kostiantynivka has been blown up.

Ivan Fedorov, the Mayor of Melitopol, reported this on his social networks.

Around 8:30 p.m., an explosion occurred near the road bridge to the village of Kostiantynivka, Melitopol district, Zaporizhzhia region. As a result of the explosion, the supports of the bridge were damaged.

According to local residents, the city has suffered serious damage, and traffic has been completely stopped.

According to preliminary information, the bridge was disabled as a result of sabotage.

The bridge is one of the strategically important objects for Russian military logistics after the Crimean Bridge was ruled out.

It was through this bridge that the invaders transported military equipment from the eastern direction.

Ukrainian Military Portal
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23937 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:57 pm to
Girkin posted a picture of the damaged bridge on Twitter a day or so ago with a comment like, Can you believe this crap? Apparently the Russians were surprised that the Ukrainians could identify such a critical single point and damage it well behind the lines of combat. I mean, the Ukrainians lived there first so they should be assumed to know the roads.

EDIT: Girkin posted about this same bridge today. The one I saw yesterday is a rail bridge, Twitter link Apparently the Ukrainians are busy choking off the supply routs.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:07 pm to
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A bridge is blown up in occupied Melitopol



They know its coming.

Same script as Kherson, collapse the weaker outer defenses onto the city.

Now the Ukrainians "set the conditions" by hammering ammo dumps (they know where they are) and C n C stuff. Then come Spring a big push.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9771 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:38 pm to
Interesting how many Russians are seeking asylum in the West, including USA after flying to Mexico City. Their electronic devices are searched and spend 2 months in detention getting 3 hots and a cot, plus library, gym and exercise yard. the other languages being spoken in detention centers are Spanish and Turkish per one Russian.

Edit link added
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This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5819 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 7:40 pm to
Looks like the Ukrainians are going for the money shot by going after Melitopol. This will be very tough and costly but if they can pull it off then Crimea is cut off. They might be ok with just picking off ammo dumps or command posts with HIMARS until they can get their forces rested and resupplied and the ground freezes to make their move. I saw somewhere that the deal to send Ukraine the last 11 MiG-29s that Slovakia has will go through in the next month or so. This was agreed to in the summer but I guess it has been slow to actually be delivered. I’m honestly still amazed that the Ukrainian pilots still are in the fight. They should have been wiped out in the first 2 weeks of the invasion but they are still flying.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:06 pm to
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I saw somewhere that the deal to send Ukraine the last 11 MiG-29s that Slovakia has will go through in the next month or so.


It seems like a major "escalation" from NATO is imminent. Yes, there's news that the Slovaks are about to give Ukraine their MiGs, there's new openness on the part of Germany to discuss sending modern tanks to Ukraine, and then there's this:
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U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said he was “open-minded” about sending longer-range weapons to Ukraine if Russia continued attacking residential areas and civilian infrastructure.


And it was just two weeks ago that Boeing said it was working on a plan to supply Ukraine with Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs that would enable HIMARS to strike deeper into Russian-held territory.

It seems that NATO has finally concluded that Russia's now-diminished military is much less of a threat to NATO, and that we can now "escalate" and give Ukraine more weapons without worrying about a Russian response.

So, I wonder when all these things will come together, as it seems that everyone is waiting for something, and I wonder if it is Congress passing the new $37 billion package for Ukraine.

On that front, a bipartisan group of Congressmen just returned from Ukraine today: LINK

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A bipartisan group of House lawmakers who recently returned from Kyiv have put their support behind Ukrainian government requests for the U.S. to provide more air defense systems, munitions, drones and military training to the war-torn country.

President Biden has asked Congress to pass legislation to provide about $37 billion in new U.S. assistance to Ukraine, but that request has come under criticism from some Republicans who have called for more accountability on funds spent in Ukraine.

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.), who led the weekend trip, said the lawmakers believed that providing the funding to Ukraine would help it win the fight against Russia.

He noted that the trip was his second following a visit in January, just before Russia launched its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24.

“What we have learned since then is that they are … able to fight for themselves,” Gallego said in a call with reporters on Monday, adding that “if we give them the resources, they will win the fight.”

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said the trip to Kyiv assured him that the Biden administration and Ukrainian government are committed to being transparent about how U.S. assistance is being spent.

“We will have the accountability which is necessary to assure the taxpayers of America that their tax money has been well used to actually, from my perspective, ultimately defend the people of the United States,” he said.

Wilson further added he has a “great appreciation” for U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink and Brig. Gen. Garrick Harmon, who serves as defense attache at the embassy, saying that they are “working for transparency and accountability, that the records are going to be made available” for Congress to review.



So, I wonder if part of this is about getting a lot of GOP members on board by promising this increased oversight (though I personally think there's already enough of that -- if you want to see accountability, just look at Oryx's list of Russian equipment destroyed).
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:08 pm to
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So, I wonder if part of this is about getting a lot of GOP members on board by promising this increased oversight (though I personally think there's already enough of that -- if you want to see accountability, just look at Oryx's list of Russian equipment destroyed).

It’s good policy to keep Congress informed in a detailed way. It is ultimately Congress's obligation to account for the dollars. Also, a well informed Congress is less likely to get caught up in the partisan bullshite that pervades the system.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:09 pm to
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So, I wonder if part of this is about getting a lot of GOP members on board by promising this increased oversight (though I personally think there's already enough of that -- if you want to see accountability, just look at Oryx's list of Russian equipment destroyed).


I'm pretty sure that 75% is already onboard. Transparency issues are easy to clear up. Oh, there are a will be a few loudmouths to play to the Alex Jones everything is a false flag brigade
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