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Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:32 am to
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:32 am to
Continuing destabilization of Iran would be a fantastic side benefit from this entire misadventure. I’m interested.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:35 am to
I agree, I what mean what could go wrong. Iraq, Libya and Syria are just pillars of stability and peace. Man did we benefit the people of those nations by our meddling and taking out of leaders.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28603 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:39 am to
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I agree, I what mean what could go wrong. Iraq, Libya and Syria are just pillars of stability and peace. Man did we benefit the people of those nations by our meddling and taking out of leaders.

They are doing this to themselves.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:41 am to
While I won’t argue your three examples, Iran poses a more onerous threat and their population seems to have a decent degree of desire for peace if they were removed from checkmate within Iran. Certainly there is risk, certainly there could be collateral damage, certainly I am not qualified to fully evaluate it either. I do, however, find it interesting and potentially a net positive.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:00 am to
I agree but that isn't going to change no matter what the US or anyone else does.

You can take the people out of the tribe but not the tribe out of the people, they will always be at war. Warlords and Strongmen have ruled those areas since the beginning of time as they are the only way stability is kept. The US and most other western nations know this and use it against them to make them pawns in whatever they see fit.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20854 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:03 am to
A net positive for who? What real threat is Iran to anyone but its immediate neighbors?

And before you say SA, Iran will never attack SA, they may screw with them, assist Yemen but never actually attack SA or any of the other US friendly ME countries.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:59 am to
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@Faytuks State Secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Serbia: "We're nearing the point of no return tonight in #Kosovo* as interim PM Kurti prepares his militarized police to raze the North and wipe out local Serbs" Quote Tweet Nemanja Starovic @nstarovic · 1h


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@Faytuks
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2h
Serbian president Vucic has called a meeting of the National Security Council at 7 p.m tonight - RTS

Serbian media is reporting that Kosovo's PM has issued an ultimatum saying that the roadblocks must be removed by tonight or he will take "all measures to remove the barricades"


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2h
Minister of Internal Affairs of Kosovo: There was an exchange of fire between the police and some members of "criminal groups" near Gazivode. If the barricades in the north are not removed, they (Police) will take appropriate action.

Leader of the Serbian list (Serb political party in Kosovo): According to the information we have, Kurti announced at a meeting with his security structures that tonight he will send armed special forces and other units to the north of Kosovo and Metohija to persecute our people


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@Faytuks
Serbian media claims that Kosovo special forces 'stormed' a facility near a large dam in Gazivode. They tore down Serbian flags and chased a guard off the premise.

Director of the Office for Kosovo: "I just informed
@MiroslavLajcak
about the armed and illegal incursion of Kurti's special forces to Ross on Gazivode! They took away the guard's keys, tore up ???? flags. The EU must restrain the bully..."


Might be time to start a Kosovo discussion
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:01 am to
I am hugely ignorant to the geopolitical ramifications of this. Can someone ELI5?
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:14 am to
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I am hugely ignorant to the geopolitical ramifications of this. Can someone ELI5?


Orthodox Serbs hate Muslim Albanians, Serbs don't consider Kosovo independent and still claims its Serbian. Kosovo declared independence in 2008. Long history of ethnic strife.

This latest tension was brought upon by a new law by Kosovo requiring Serbs in the north to change out their Serbian license plates for Kosovo ones or face fines/impounding of their cars. That led to the resignation of all Serbs in government service in November. Which led to the central government in Pristina to try and organize new local elections in the Serb majority north. So they sent in police and the Serbs didn't like that and now the roadblocks/barricades are back up and now multiple reports of police patrols being attacked. That then led to a request by Serbia to NATO to allow Sebrian army/police back into Kosovo, which was promptly rejected by Kosovo. Which is where we are now so far KFOR hasn't really gotten involved.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5660 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:16 am to
Resistance fighters take responsibility for setting Russian base in occupied Crimea on fire
Olha Hlushchenko — Sunday, 11 December 2022, 06:43

The ATESH resistance movement, which operates in occupied Crimea, has claimed responsibility for setting fire to a Russian military base.

Source: ATESH on Telegram

Quote: "The base of the mobilised army of the Russian Federation in the village of Radianske in Ukrainian Crimea is on fire.

Our agents performed as expected.

We have worked on this "project" for a long time and, of course, everything worked out for us.

We will continue to destroy the Russian army from the inside."

Details: In their message, ATESH specified that there were victims in the fire, the list of which they promised to publish.

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:25 am to
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I am hugely ignorant to the geopolitical ramifications of this. Can someone ELI5?


1. They are likely no geopolitical ramifications from this since it is likely to not amount to anything.

2. If fighting breaks out in Serbia then the mail order market for Serbian brides is going to explode.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15773 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:30 am to
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They are doing this to themselves.


In the case of Syria, that is the doing of Russia and Iran propping up the Assad Regime for decades.

In the case of Libya, Saudis were meddling long before a rebellion finally succeeded. That hated Daffy Duck, as did the Qataris and most of OPEC. Then it became a proxy war of rival rebellions in Saudi Arabia vs Qatar and finally splitting into at least 200 Bloods vs Crips type of thing.

Arab Spring in Tunisia was more about a blood feud between the ruling family and another Tunisian family which was fairly powerful. It was actually run out of the offices near Cannes of the business partner of a now deceased Belgian biz friend.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15773 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:46 am to
Libya conflict cost me a shitton in lost profit. I had brokered a deal to sell three refineries to Libya, one from OK, one from Yabucoa, PR, and the last one from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:20 pm to
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Iran will never attack SA,




Ok maybe not directly to avoid open conflict but I mean they did this as recently as 2019

LINK

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On 14 September 2019, drones were used to attack oil processing facilities at Abqaiq (Arabic: ????, romanized: Buqaiq) and Khurais (????) in eastern Saudi Arabia. The facilities were operated by Saudi Aramco, the country's state-owned oil company. The Houthi movement in Yemen claimed responsibility, tying it to events surrounding the Saudi Arabian–led intervention in the Yemeni Civil War and stating they used ten drones in the attack launched from Yemen, south of the facilities. Saudi Arabian officials said that many more drones and cruise missiles were used for the attack and originated from the north and east, and that they were of Iranian manufacture. The United States and Saudi Arabia have stated that Iran was behind the attack while France, Germany, and the United Kingdom jointly stated Iran bears responsibility for it. Iran has denied any involvement. The situation exacerbated the 2019 Persian Gulf crisis.


ETA: it's like saying Iran is not involved in the current conflict. Their people were sitting in Crimera assisting with the strikes.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:11 pm to
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Might be time to start a Kosovo discussion


I hope the Serbs kick their asses and put an end to that little NATO/EU puppet state once and for all.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:23 pm to
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I hope the Serbs kick their asses and put an end to that little NATO/EU puppet state once and for all.



Na, they dont want their bridges to get wet again.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:27 pm to
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The vaunted Black Sea Wall.



I mean its sand...

Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 3:40 pm to
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A net positive for who? What real threat is Iran to anyone but its immediate neighbors?

You can start with Ukraine.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20854 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 3:43 pm to
Iran is invading Ukraine?

News to me.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Iran is invading Ukraine?

News to me.

I understand now.
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