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Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:46 pm to Obtuse1
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In the spirit of the season Ukrainian soldiers send a present down the chimney
That precision is unreal. BTW, several posters in the comments state that it's likely a Russian drone. I'm not even going to pretend to have a clue.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:32 pm to Obtuse1
I thought this was a good visualization of the Russian efforts to capture Bakhmut.
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1602387398716948501
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1602387398716948501
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Russia's slow advance in Bakhmut by month.
Purple: August 1
Blue: September 2
Green: October 1
Yellow: November 1
Orange: December 1
Dark Red: December 12, today
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In the past 200 days Russia has moved 12.28km in the direction of Bakhmut. 61.4 meters per day. This is furthest extent on May 26th to furthest extent today. But the issue is that original attack 100% failed. The attack that worked, they moved 8.5km in 199 days. 42.7m per day
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:50 pm to TigersnJeeps
It's all hard goods, ammo and weapons, barely any cash, regardless what is batted about in Politardville
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:07 pm to Chromdome35
They needed Bakhmut just for moral and to show the Russian people they took a town. It’s an absolute meat grinder there and they are killing themselves attacking a town that has been leveled by Russian artillery and has no real tactical advantage.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:06 am to CitizenK
ISW Update
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Russian forces are continuing to shape and consolidate their force composition in eastern Ukraine to bolster defenses against ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensives near the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border and support limited offensive efforts in Donetsk Oblast...ISW has previously observed WMD elements operating throughout Kharkiv Oblast prior to the sweeping Ukrainian counteroffensives in September that ultimately drove Russian troops back to the current line along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border...Wagner Group fighters, supported by elements of the 1st and 2nd Army Corps, are largely responsible for driving offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast, particularly around Bakhmut and the western outskirts of Donetsk City
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The cost of the Russian war in Ukraine will likely continue to undermine Russian President Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical campaigns worldwide..Putin is seemingly still unwilling to sacrifice his geopolitical initiatives in the short-term, however, and risks facing a financial predicament in which he will not be able to balance maximalist goals in Ukraine with his global power projection campaigns.
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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) officially denied rumors that Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov has been or soon will be replaced, although it stopped short of offering the kind of credible support for this denial that it has provided to demonstrate that Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu is still on the job.
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Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov stated that Ukraine intends to continue counteroffensives in winter 2022–2023 after the hard freeze enables maneuver warfare, supporting an ISW assessment.[24]
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Senior US government officials may be correcting their assessments about Ukraine’s ability and intent to conduct counteroffensive operations this winter.
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The UK MoD assessed that Russia still likely aims to retain control over all its occupied Ukrainian territory, supporting ISW’s recent assessment that the Kremlin likely maintains its maximalist objectives in Ukraine.[30]
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Key Takeaways
Russian forces are continuing to shape and consolidate their force composition in eastern Ukraine to bolster defenses against ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensives near the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border and support limited offensive efforts in Donetsk Oblast.
The cost of the Russian war in Ukraine will likely continue to undermine Russian President Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical campaigns worldwide.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) officially denied rumors that Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov has been or soon will be replaced, although it stopped short of offering the kind of credible support for this denial that it has provided that Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu is still on the job.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov stated that Ukraine intends to continue counteroffensives in winter 2022–2023 after the hard freeze enables maneuver warfare, supporting an ISW assessment.
Senior US government officials may be correcting their assessments about Ukraine’s ability and intent to conduct counteroffensive operations this winter.
Russian forces continued limited ground attacks near Svatove and Kreminna as Ukrainian forces struck rear areas in Luhansk Oblast.
Russian forces continued ground attacks in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka–Donetsk City areas and conducted defensive operations southwest of Donetsk City.
Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian military assets and logistics hubs along critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in southern Ukraine.
Russian forces are fortifying the northern beaches of Crimea along the Black Sea coast.
Russian forces may lack sufficient infrastructure to support their troops in Crimea.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:33 am to Chromdome35
Kind of makes it look inevitable that they will take Bakhmut. Not that it matters a lot in the big picture, but it is a well-fortified town, obviously.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:27 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
13 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 12 December 2022, the Kremlin confirmed that President Vladimir Putin will not hold his traditional end-of-year press conference. This will be the first time in 10 years that Putin has not held the annual event, while the usual public phone-in also did not take place this year.
The press conference has become a significant fixture in Putin's calendar of public engagement and has frequently been used as an opportunity to demonstrate the supposed integrity of Putin.
Although questions are almost certainly usually vetted in advance, the cancellation is likely due to increasing concerns about the prevalence of anti-war feeling in Russia. Kremlin officials are almost certainly extremely sensitive about the possibility that any event attended by Putin could be hijacked by unsanctioned discussion about the 'special military operation'.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 6:28 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:31 am to CitizenK
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It's all hard goods, ammo and weapons, barely any cash, regardless what is batted about in Politardville
There was a lot of dollars in the previous aid bill totals that were authorized above the direct weapon transfers or other military direct aid to the Ukraine military. Around $10 billion labeled as humanitarian and around $15 billion labeled as financial (might in euros). Remember Nancy using the Bible to sell the amount of the May bill including the billions she tacked on above Biden’s request.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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It seems like a major "escalation" from NATO is imminent
I thought about this some more overnight. For us in the US, the war in Ukraine now has little effect on our daily lives. Gas prices have stabilized and dropped back down, and there's little ongoing disruption to our commercial or business interests.
This is simply not true in Europe. Europeans are caring for millions of refugees. They have stabilized energy supplies, but at an unsustainable long-term cost. European airlines can no longer fly efficiently to Asia, as that would mean crossing into Russian airspace.
For Europe, the prospect that this war would drag on for years is unacceptable. They need Ukraine to go ahead and win it.
Germany, in particular, is finally coming around to that conclusion. All the major political parties with the exception of Scholz's own have now endorsed sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.
The only plausible reason that Scholz still delays is that he wants NATO to do this together, so Washington, in particular, needs to be on board. The US needs to commit hundreds of Bradleys at the same time as Germany commits the Leopards. We can send the GBSDB missiles (with a range of an additional 17 miles beyond what HIMARS is firing now) too.
Stuff from other NATO countries can also happen concurrently (e.g. the Slovak planes).
All of this also makes sense from another perspective: if we can't supply Ukraine with enough 155mm ammo to fight the way that it's been fighting, then the logical conclusion is to give Ukraine other weapons that reduce their reliance on 155mm artillery.
If NATO gives Ukraine lots of modern, Western armor, rockets that can strike even further in the Russian rear, and more aircraft, then we can enable Ukraine to win on the battlefield without firing as many 155mm shells.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:23 am to CitizenK
I guess that could make it somewhat easier...
Color me skeptical because 1) it's the Biden administration and 2) it's the US government.
Color me skeptical because 1) it's the Biden administration and 2) it's the US government.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:31 am to dallastigers
Drop in the bucket. Point being that the vast majority it hard goods. Considering there is little revenue for the government. The annual budget for Ukraine is in the $140 billion area pre 2014. That "cash" is bare bones to keep it functioning.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:54 am to CitizenK
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Drop in the bucket. Point being that the vast majority it hard goods. Considering there is little revenue for the government. The annual budget for Ukraine is in the $140 billion area pre 2014. That "cash" is bare bones to keep it functioning.
Drop in the bucket is how we label at least $25 billion in debt spending and counting with new bill (and the bill after that and after that)?
But point is that there is cash being sent to Ukraine, and it needs to be audited and clearly spelled out to American public as spent like the weapons are. The Ukraine govt needs to be answerable on how it’s spent. No hidden transaction fees being pocketed or money made by companies or organizations connected to politicians.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:37 am to GOP_Tiger
Interesting take from Ukraine Volunteer Transcripts in September. Maybe the West has finally gotten the message:
LINK
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The thing is, if everything goes right, per conventional forces, the Yooks are on the upside of a capability down curve, and the Russians on the descending side. It seems, in this case, it is about people in this way: the Yooks are building a larger, capable force, the Russians may be building a people-heavy force with less capability.
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What the Russians need to succeed is less people, and more air superiority over the battlefield, and over supply lines providing western equipment. I am a bit surprised they the Russians are not trying harder to interdict western supply chains. They will lose this war conventionally if they cannot deal with that issue.
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Maybe they are more afraid of escalation than Putin’s nuclear sabre-rattling would lead one to think.
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I suspect they are.
A mass of people will have little to no effect, except to possibly divert Yook resources away from destroying capital equipment. But, ultimately, war is about killing enough people until they no longer desire that to happen. Equipment loss is very important, since it is part of the capability equation. But in a foolish adventure, it will likely be people loss that will change the gravity of support in Russia.
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But, make no mistake, the US will have no nuclear response to a Russian tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine. Stated doctrine, even if it did apply here, is bullshite. But, it would solidify world support for Russian isolation, and would mean more direct western involvement.
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I know this because I have spent a large chunk of my life working with people who make these decisions. We will not risk a strategic exchange, even under Article Five obligations.
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Some folks like to think, mainly to support their bias or their intellectual work, that policy and treaties are reality. Well, no. When the balloon goes up, they are totally expendable.
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Well, I am going to bed. I am on a bit of a jag here, and need to shut it down and get some sleep. Maybe cut me some slack on the speculative bullshite. Or not. I am old enough to know better. Later.
LINK
Posted on 12/13/22 at 11:52 am to BRHSBulldog
CNN: LINK
US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine
US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine
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The Biden administration is finalizing plans to send the Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine that could be announced as soon as this week, according to two US officials and a senior administration official.
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Ukraine has been calling for the US to send the advanced long-range air defense system that is highly effective at intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles as it comes under a barrage of Russian missile and drone attacks that have destroyed key infrastructure across the country. It would be the most effective long-range defensive weapons system sent to the country and officials say it will help secure airspace for NATO nations in eastern Europe.
It is not clear how many missile launchers will be sent but a typical Patriot battery includes a radar set that detects and tracks targets, computers, power generating equipment, an engagement control station and up to eight launchers, each holding four ready to fire missiles.
Once the plans are finalized, the Patriots are expected to ship quickly in the coming days and Ukrainians will be trained to use them at a US Army base in Grafenwoehr, Germany, officials said.
Ukraine has been asking for the system for months but the logistical challenges of delivering it and operating it are immense. Despite those obstacles, “the reality of what is going on the ground” led the administration to make the decision, the senior administration official told CNN, noting the continuing intense Russian missile barrages.
Unlike smaller air defense systems, Patriot missile batteries need much larger crews, requiring dozens of personnel to properly operate them. The training for Patriot missile batteries normally takes multiple months, a process the United States will now carry out under the pressure of near-daily aerial attacks from Russia.
The system is widely considered one of the most capable long-range weapons to defend airspace against incoming ballistic and cruise missiles as well as some aircraft. Because of its long-range and high-altitude capability, it can potentially shoot down Russian missiles and aircraft far from their intended targets inside Ukraine.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
Had to know it was gonna happen-pity it’s taken this long…now on to planes…
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
Looks like we might be down another B-2 bomber. The crew had to put it down for a hard landing after an onboard fire started. May be able to repair it but still unclear right now.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
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US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine
Glad to see the Ukrainians may come out of winter with a clear qualitative advantage. I hope they eventually get the planes they need.
I would love to be a fly on the wall to know what is really driving this apparent shift. Is there some piece of intel that really confirms a nuclear escalation is off the table? Was the success of the kherson offensive the tipping moment to better arm the Ukrainians? Or the dawning realization the faster this war concludes (in Ukraine’s favor) the better? Or, do things really just take this much time to work through bureaucratic approvals?
I frankly don’t believe it’s Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure as that is a little too altruistic of an answer for my tastes.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:33 pm to ned nederlander
There's a de escalation faction in the Biden administration led by National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. Apparently his influence has waned.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:50 pm to ned nederlander
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frankly don’t believe it’s Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure
The Russians’ intent is to literally freeze the Ukrainians into submission. Their war is against the Ukrainian civilians now since they can’t beat their military.
They don’t give a damn about the number of Ukrainian civilians who die at their hands.
The West is fed up with Russian’s tactics and the total war they are conducting. It is high time we come to the rescue of millions of civilians who will die if there is no intervention.
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