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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:06 pm to
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What do you want or expect to happen IF Putin uses a tactical nuke on Ukraine?


I can't answer the want question, I don't want that to happen so we don't have to respond. I think my feelings about any response would depend on how the weapon was used. If they should pop one on Snake Island as a demonstration of willingness, I would view that differently than if they pop one on Kiev.

Any response by the West would be driven by the circumstances.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:06 pm to
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Ukrainian soldiers are saying they think Russia is preparing to abandon Kherson.


I've been trying to figure Kherson out for a few days. It's been a full two weeks since the big Ukrainian breakthrough along the Dnipro that caused the Russians to retreat back a good bit and form a new defensive line.

It was widely agreed at the time that there was no natural place for a strong defensive line and that Ukraine should be able to break the new line. So, why haven't they done so? Here's what I think:

Forcing a breakthrough can be costly. Ukraine values the lives of its soldiers. The more Russians retreat, the easier that breakthrough will be. It looks to me that Ukraine has been conducting probing attacks in different places along the line for the last several days, looking for a weak spot, and they haven't found one as weak as they'd like.

But there's no doubt that Russia is withdrawing, and that they cannot supply their forces. On that front, the clock favors Ukraine. After stealing the Kherson's fire trucks yesterday, they took the ambulances across the river today.

Also today, Ukraine HIMARSed a pontoon ferry and sunk the pontoon section, which Russia will have to remove before they can try again.

In other words, I don't think that Ukraine is forcing the issue because they can afford to wait. Russia gets weaker every day, both because supplies are insufficient, and because they are now pulling troops across the river every day and weakening the strength that they have left. Ukraine will strike decisively when the moment is right -- we just don't know when.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:21 pm to
what we get and others dont is that the US wanted this war to happen so we goaded putin. putin didnt want this, but what was he supposed to do when the americans continued to break the treaty they signed with russia to stop growing NATO? that didnt work so obama green lighted a coup in ukraine. that didnt work, so biden flirted with ukraine and NATO. that reasonably was the last straw. putin fought this, but was left no choice

now, this isnt enough. the bidens, obamas, clintons, faucis, and zelenskys want a nuclear war so they can hide all of the crimes theyve engaged in ukraine these last few years. that is why we are putting billions into this war effort. to push putin into a corner so he has to lash out with a nuke

putin is trying to save us from all of this and the globalist elites like biden but theres only so much he can do
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:27 pm to
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putin didnt want this
quote:

putin is trying to save us from all of this and the globalist elites like biden but theres only so much he can do
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12850 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:30 pm to
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putin is trying to save us from all of this and the globalist elites like biden but theres only so much he can do

I will admit I did a double take on this one.

Well played, sir.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 7:31 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8172 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:32 pm to
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putin is trying to save us from all of this and the globalist elites like biden but theres only so much he can do


Why don't these people root for Communist China and North Korea? Those countries aren't woke. If these idiots are going to support genocidal dictatorships, why don't they stay true to their convictions? Just oppose that "globalism" everywhere.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:37 pm to
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Support the brave mullahs of Iran bravely standing up to the woke, globalist elites!
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38177 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:33 pm to
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what we get and others dont is that the US wanted this war to happen so we goaded putin. putin didnt want this, but what was he supposed to do when the americans continued to break the treaty they signed with russia to stop growing NATO? that didnt work so obama green lighted a coup in ukraine. that didnt work, so biden flirted with ukraine and NATO. that reasonably was the last straw. putin fought this, but was left no choice

now, this isnt enough. the bidens, obamas, clintons, faucis, and zelenskys want a nuclear war so they can hide all of the crimes theyve engaged in ukraine these last few years. that is why we are putting billions into this war effort. to push putin into a corner so he has to lash out with a nuke

putin is trying to save us from all of this and the globalist elites like biden but theres only so much he can do



Amen brother. DOn't forget the heroic role the Iranians are playing in this. Obama interfered in Iran and tryed to pull a coup just like he did when he put Zelensky in power in 2019. We were wrong about them. The CIA pulled the wool over our eyes. I'll take the Muslims in Iran over the godless libs and the NWO any day.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 8:34 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:35 pm to
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putin didnt want this,


Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:37 pm to
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Amen brother. DOn't forget the heroic role the Iranians are playing in this. Obama interfered in Iran and tryed to pull a coup just like he did when he put Zelensky in power in 2019. We were wrong about them. The CIA pulled the wool over our eyes. I'll take the Muslims in Iran over the godless libs and the NWO any day.


Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:53 pm to
Satire can't hold a candle to the real thing.

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 It’s comical that our government is whining about Iran supplying drones to Russia. I guess it’s okay if we send all our weapons to Ukraine. Pedo Joe will have us in a major war. FJB
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7693 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:55 pm to
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The mother of all cyber attacks which put Russia to where it was in Tsarist days. Also,strikes will take out Russia's naval bases and navy.


Awesome. And what do you think the Russian response to that might be?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:03 pm to
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What do you want or expect to happen IF Putin uses a tactical nuke on Ukraine?
I want the US to stop giving any aid to Ukraine and force them to negotiate peace on Putin’s terms. What other option is there?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:04 pm to
Im gonna steal that
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5913 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:13 pm to
MAGA: “we just iced Soleimani. Suck our beautiful Orange dong, terrorists.”

Somehow also (some of) MAGA: “I'll take the Muslims in Iran over the godless libs and the NWO any day.“
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:13 pm to
Yougayne made no advances into Russian Federation territory in Xerson, Zaporozhia, Donetsk, and Lugansk Oblasts today. Z continues to build up forces in Belorussia. Why? Goodnight.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18917 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:25 pm to
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MAGA: “we just iced Soleimani. Suck our beautiful Orange dong, terrorists.” Somehow also (some of) MAGA: “I'll take the Muslims in Iran over the godless libs and the NWO any day.“


Seek help.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:27 pm to
Spook institute for the study of war telling the truth. Why?
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#Putin is setting conditions for #Russia to continue a protracted high-intensity conventional war in #Ukraine, not a negotiated settlement or off-ramp. Instead, he is setting conditions for improved Russian combat capability over the winter and well into 2023.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:28 pm to
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not a negotiated settlement or off-ramp.
why isnt he looking for peace?
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