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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:38 am to WDE24
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:38 am to WDE24
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For most there it is simply about taken an anti Biden stance. If Biden had ignored the Russian invasion and the us not contributed money or weapons, they would be apoplectic that Biden is eating ice cream and drooling on himself as Russia and China cement themselves as the only two global powers.
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:40 am to Highthoughts
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It’s about maintaining their own perceived credibility of the world which they have cognitively constructed over the last few years.
Exactly
Hammer meet nail.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:41 am to lsu777
quote:But on the poli board it is 60 billion in cash that gets mostly siphoned off by corrupt politicians without ever making it to the battlefield. Somehow, simultaneously Ukraine would have easily fallen without US aid that actually never made it to the battlefield.
but i have come to the realization that we are goign to spend on stupid shite like gender studies in pakistan so this is money better spent that 99% of our foreign aide and that most of the weapons we are giving them were just items we were sunsetting anyways.
There doesn’t have to be any logic applied because it’s just a political, cultural information war. Reality doesn’t matter to most.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's why they keep ignoring that the EU is the organization Putin fears, not NATO.
If Ukraine joins the EU, not only would they remove themselves from Russian economic influence, but they likely, eventually, overtake Russia in terms of economic output. Russia cannot imagine a world where little brother is graduating college while they're selling meth to get by.
yea but they are not going to acknowledge that. many are still claiming the russian economy is better than ever etc
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:42 am to lsu777
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but i have come to the realization that we are goign to spend on stupid shite like gender studies in pakistan so this is money better spent that 99% of our foreign aide and that most of the weapons we are giving them were just items we were sunsetting anyways.
This is how I think about it, too.
What I want and reality are 2 different things now. I have to live in reality (at least for the time being).
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:43 am to lsu777
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95% on that board are not pulling for russia to win
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:44 am to lsu777
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yea but they are not going to acknowledge that. many are still claiming the russian economy is better than ever etc
That and they focus on the NATO boogeyman, falling for Putin-created propaganda.
That's Putin's MO. He attacks and creates a number of reasons why Russia was actually under attack. Whichever one sticks, he hammers home via his disinfo network.
Hence why the leader of Belarus is trying to create propaganda that they're about to be attacked. Now, if/when they invade Ukraine, it will actually be a defensive maneuver.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:49 am to WDE24
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But on the poli board it is 60 billion in cash that gets mostly siphoned off by corrupt politicians without ever making it to the battlefield. Somehow, simultaneously Ukraine would have easily fallen without US aid that actually never made it to the battlefield.
There doesn’t have to be any logic applied because it’s just a political, cultural information war. Reality doesn’t matter to most.
its 100% this and cant have their worldview challenged
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Recent international developments as regards the ongoing conflict is that China is increasingly signaling they want the fighting to end. They've declined to support Russia's invasion and have begun asking pointed questions about the fighting.
At a guess they are starting to get worried that a desperate Putin is going to do something stupid on a global level like pop a nuke.
At a guess they are starting to get worried that a desperate Putin is going to do something stupid on a global level like pop a nuke.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I really believe that a big part of Putin's decision was to reestablish the buffer zones. Look at his previous actions:
1. Georgia and placing Russian troops in the breakaways.
2. Armenia: sent in Russian troops as "peacekeepers" for the dispute/war with Azerbaijan.
3. Kazakhstan: sent in Russian troops to quell a revolt against what Putin thought at the time was a friendly regime.
He has established Russian troops already in many of the "stan" countries.
Those moves help reestablish buffer zones in the Caucasus's and central Asia.
4. Belarus: he has reestablished total control there when he saved Lukashenko in 2020.
5. Ukraine- this is the gem. 2014 - Crimea and the Donbass. Now full on invasion.
Putin shares the same philosophy of many former Russian leaders: Continue to expand your borders for survival and empire.
His hero is Czar Alexander III. That is the one he really admires.
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1. Georgia and placing Russian troops in the breakaways.
2. Armenia: sent in Russian troops as "peacekeepers" for the dispute/war with Azerbaijan.
3. Kazakhstan: sent in Russian troops to quell a revolt against what Putin thought at the time was a friendly regime.
He has established Russian troops already in many of the "stan" countries.
Those moves help reestablish buffer zones in the Caucasus's and central Asia.
4. Belarus: he has reestablished total control there when he saved Lukashenko in 2020.
5. Ukraine- this is the gem. 2014 - Crimea and the Donbass. Now full on invasion.
Putin shares the same philosophy of many former Russian leaders: Continue to expand your borders for survival and empire.
His hero is Czar Alexander III. That is the one he really admires.
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This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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That and they focus on the NATO boogeyman, falling for Putin-created propaganda.
That's Putin's MO. He attacks and creates a number of reasons why Russia was actually under attack. Whichever one sticks, he hammers home via his disinfo network.
Hence why the leader of Belarus is trying to create propaganda that they're about to be attacked. Now, if/when they invade Ukraine, it will actually be a defensive maneuver.
100% that
aight whats the thoughts on belarus? do they attack or not? they have to know there will be a coup withing 2 weeks prolly of them starting hostilties.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:53 am to Highthoughts
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The simple fact is the poliboard has become a containment zone.
Yeah, I and I suspect several other posters have been told by the mods not to post on this thread, but yeah this is the place that isn’t the bubble and telling you the truth.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:57 am to CitizenK
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So you don't know what a stripper well is. Got it.
I'm afraid it's more a case of you not knowing WTF 10% of US production is. It ain't stripper wells, and FWIW, Karine Jean-Pierre, where you apparently get your information ... she ain't quite a petroleum expert.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:59 am to UndercoverBryologist
How the frick is a redo even possible? 100000+ kids have been separated from their own parents and sent to Russia to live with their “new parents” the number of displaced from the two regions is dispersed all over Europe and NA…still zero legitimacy
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:59 am to OMLandshark
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I suspect several other posters have been told by the mods not to post on this thread
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Private Message: you can post but stop flaming the Ukraine thread...probably best to avoid it all together......Click here to remove this message.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:00 am to Arksulli
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At a guess they are starting to get worried that a desperate Putin is going to do something stupid on a global level like pop a nuke.
Well that and/or just Russia disrupting the worldwide economy by this stupid and unjustified invasion.
If Russia could have executed the plan for a quick invasion and Ukrainian submission, China was on board. They weren't on board for this.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
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The simple fact is the poliboard has become a containment zone.
Yeah, I and I suspect several other posters have been told by the mods not to post on this thread, but yeah this is the place that isn’t the bubble and telling you the truth.
So mods told you not to post on here, yet here you are posting on here. Seems legit.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:08 am to LSUCanFAN
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How the frick is a redo even possible? 100000+ kids have been separated from their own parents and sent to Russia to live with their “new parents” the number of displaced from the two regions is dispersed all over Europe and NA…still zero legitimacy
Yes, as I said in follow-up replies, this is not feasible. It is only thrown out there as a condition for peace in quid pro quo discussion between the two nations.
Ukraine shouldn’t have to concede anything, but the lives lost will be in vain if Russia gets to force a prevention of NATO and EU membership on Ukraine.
Redo of the referenda or something of that magnitude (whatever you may imagine) would be far more suitable points of negotiation than forcing Ukraine to cede its own sovereign territory in violation of international law just to appease a mad man who is threatening nuclear war.
Edit: I’m trying to hammer out what a “diplomatic” solution would look like that wasn’t just a legitimization of Putin nuclear blackmail tactic.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:11 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's Putin's MO. He attacks and creates a number of reasons why Russia was actually under attack. Whichever one sticks, he hammers home via his disinfo network.
It also works in the other direction. E.g., the "biolabs" narrative started within Q-influencer network in the early weeks of the full-scale invasion and the Russians picked this up and echoed it (you won't find any of this rhetoric from them before the full-scale invasion). The chud-o-sphere then gets it "validated" via the pro-Russian sources and on and on it goes...
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