re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Exactly. We’re going to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

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Friday, 8 July 2022, 00:26

Mykhailo Podoliak, advisor to the Head of the President’s Office of Ukraine, has said that a statement by Russian president Vladmir Putin's regarding the "war to the last Ukrainian" is further proof of the deliberate genocide committed by Russia.

Source: Mykhailo Podoliak on Twitter

Quote from Podoliak: "There is no plan designed by a ‘collective West’. Only one specific Z-army has invaded sovereign Ukraine, shelling cities and killing civilians. Everything else is primitive propaganda. That's why Mr. Putin's mantra about a ‘war to the last Ukrainian’ is further proof of a premeditated Russian genocide."

Podolyak tweet

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Peace in favor of freedom (if there is such a thing) should be considered an amoral concept in any democratic republic.

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That is an incredibly reductive and jingoistic view of this war and the culture and history of Ukraine and Russia more broadly which I do not share, but I certainly understand and respect your point of view.

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That is an incredibly reductive and jingoistic view of this war and the culture and history of Ukraine and Russia more broadly which I do not share, but I certainly understand and respect your point of view.

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I haven't read or seen anything that suggests Russians on Russian soil are scared to leave their homes due to this conflict. So, if your position is that Ukraine is an aggressor, I won't even entertain a debate.

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President Putin is set to demonstrate his willingness to use weapons of mass destruction with a nuclear test on Ukraine’s borders, defence sources have warned

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Are we talking about any Ukrainian land? Or land that they just annexed? I want to see how Putin and their shills explain him dropping a nuke in the Donbas.

Hopefully they can shoot them bombers down.

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But considering the only reason we exist as a sovereign nation is due to French aid during the revolution, it blows my mind how many Americans seem to be taking the tack that it's somehow immoral to support a nation in defending itself.

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That was a long time ago.

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I think this ends by trading formal recognition of Crimea to Russia for withdrawal of Russia from the Donbas, and some level of reparations and return of any and all deported peoples.

I don’t think Ukraine joins NATO but there may be some timeframe during which NATO will treat an invasion of Ukraine by Russia as an article 5 event. Or perhaps some trigger where Ukraine will automatically be admitted to NATO if certain events happen or Russia fails to comply with certain conditions of the ceasefire.

Who knows. It is just really hard to see how this ends absent a Russian regime change and that seems to me the most far fetched outcome.

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I think Ukraine ends up in NATO relatively quickly and I agree that it should happen. After all of this, what NATO has invested in them, what they can yield in the postwar world, and what Ukraine has proven capable of would be a waste to not have them in IMO.

I think postwar and post NATO induction we should have significant NATO presence there to deter future action we all know Russia will want to see. I think we should foster increased eastern and Central European cooperation for their own security as a front line that precedes NATO.

I’m not Ukrainian, but I just couldn’t imagine with the war as it stands now after what they’ve endured and logical future concerns not wanting to completely drive Russia from our 2014 borders. Russia should be embarrassed and broken just short of creating another Hitler.

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A figment of your imagination. The Cold War ended 30 years ago. Those folks are long gone.

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You’re probably right. It’s probably just soulless ladder climbers in the state department who think the Russia desk is glamorous and weren’t smart enough to learn mandarin.

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Do you know how many Ukrainians and Russians are going to fricking die because we’re funding it as a vanity project?

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Describing this war as someone other than Putin’s vanity project is absurd. Putin wanted to put Humpty Dumpty back together again and declare himself Putin the Great and so he invaded Ukraine without prior warning or provocation. The invasion was launched on multiple fronts and from multiple countries with the clear aim of fully conquering Ukraine. The responsibility for this falls unequivocally on Russia and Putin.

I don't post much in this thread, but I just saw a video of two Ruskies engaging in felatio as a drone-operated grenade fell on them. I've seen some crazy footage from this war, but I might need to stop after that one. I don't know what I expected when I clicked on the video, but the title of video was very accurate, so I can't say I wasn't warned.

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But considering the only reason we exist as a sovereign nation is due to French aid during the revolution, it blows my mind how many Americans seem to be taking the tack that it's somehow immoral to support a nation in defending itself.

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That was a long time ago.

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So? Failure to learn from the forgotten good in history is just as bad as failure to learn from the forgotten bad.