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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:06 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:06 pm to ned nederlander
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NATO Joint-Intelligence has reportedly warned Members of the Alliance that they have seen indications that Russia may be preparing to conduct a form of Nuclear Weapons Test in the Black/White Sea or near the Ukrainian Border, and that they must prepare for the possibility.
Intelligence reported that the Russian Nuclear Submarine Belgorod which is said to utilize the “Poseidon” Nuclear Torpedo-Drone was seen leaving its home port in the White Sea heading toward the North where it could possibly test the New Weapons Platform.
Also recently a Military Train that was carrying Equipment from the 12th Chief Directorate; which is the department within the Russian Ministry of Defense which is in charge of the Country’s Nuclear Arsenal, was seen traveling West towards the Ukrainian Border.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:07 pm to Joshjrn
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Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
- Patrick Henry
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
- Ben Franklin
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Ukraine should surrender land to save lives and just take it like a bitch. Also, there’s biolabs there or some shite
- Poliboard
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:08 pm to lowspark12
Do armies still march in lines towards the enemy? No.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:12 pm to Chromdome35
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By the end of the war, Russia was turning out quality heavy tanks, much better than anything we were giving them at the time.
Not really, average lifespan of the T-34 was 300 miles. In southern Germany, the Russians were using Shermans when the met the allies per an officer from Lake Charles in a letter home. They preferred the Shermans to the T-34s too. What Russia did was just overwhelm Germans with numbers of T-34's.
Germany had no tanks with interchangeable parts. They wer all hand fitted one by one.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:16 pm to StormyMcMan
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NATO Joint-Intelligence has reportedly warned Members of the Alliance that they have seen indications that Russia may be preparing to conduct a form of Nuclear Weapons Test in the Black/White Sea or near the Ukrainian Border, and that they must prepare for the possibility.
Imagine falling from the perceived global #2 military to copying North Korea’s military playbook in 8 months time
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:22 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The help of Poland more than anything and by a lot. Poland had provided way more anti tank manpads than the US, though they had to fired from about 300 yards max range. Looked like made in someone's garage and cost less than $300 each.
Everyone in most militaries knows that all you have to do is take out officers and no one knows what to do. That has been the Russian way for EVERYTHING for hundreds of years. It not told what to do, they stand around with fingers up their butts.
Everyone in most militaries knows that all you have to do is take out officers and no one knows what to do. That has been the Russian way for EVERYTHING for hundreds of years. It not told what to do, they stand around with fingers up their butts.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:23 pm to CitizenK
I wasn't talking about the T34. I was referring to the IS-1, IS-2 and IS-3.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:25 pm to CitizenK
Another way to look at it… when was the last time an “expeditionary force” made mostly of conscripts was successful? I’ve seen a couple pro-Russian outlets float the idea of a spring offensive once their numbers make it to the front…. I’m not saying it can’t happen, but nothing so far suggests Russia is capable of it.
This ain’t fricking Syria or Georgia… they’re facing a real enemy with real weapons and real training.
This ain’t fricking Syria or Georgia… they’re facing a real enemy with real weapons and real training.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:44 pm to lowspark12
Updated maps from the WarMapper Twitter feed
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1577091187881611265
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1577091187881611265
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???? have continued to advance in the North of Kherson Oblast and have retaken control of Mykhailivka, Novooleksandrivka, and Havrylivka.
West of Kherson city ???? liberated the settlement of Myrolyubivka.
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???? have taken back control of Pidlyman, Borova, Shyikivka, Izyums'ke, Druzhelyubivka, Terny, and Yampolivka.
???? has now been fully pushed out of the north of Donetsk oblast.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:44 pm to lowspark12
Russia does minimal basic training. Most training of new recruits is done at their home units-which are all at the front.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:46 pm to Joshjrn
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For Americans who simply think we shouldn't be spending the money, fine. I have no issue with that position.
But considering the only reason we exist as a sovereign nation is due to French aid during the revolution, it blows my mind how many Americans seem to be taking the tack that it's somehow immoral to support a nation in defending itself.
Well bless your little heart.
Indeed it was a completely selfless act by the French. It's not like they had colonies and shite that were threatened and land to be brokered.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:47 pm to Chromdome35
ISW's updated maps are typically a couple of days behind.
Overall
Eastern Front
Southern Eastern Front
Southern Front
Overall
Eastern Front
Southern Eastern Front
Southern Front
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:50 pm to Chromdome35
Sounds like Ukraine wants ATACMS really badly.
Video at link.
https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1577077240759820290
Video at link.
https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1577077240759820290
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Sources tell CNN Ukraine is ready to offer the U.S. veto power over its battle moves in exchange for bigger, better American weapons
@MarquardtA
reports
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:55 pm to NPComb
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Well bless your little heart.
Indeed it was a completely selfless act by the French. It's not like they had colonies and shite that were threatened and land to be brokered.
I didn't say it was selfless, ya tit. In the same way that I'm not saying that America's supporting of Ukraine is selfless.
I'm saying that neither is immoral, which has been the tacit, and sometimes explicit, accusation. That American supporting Ukraine is immoral because it's causing Ukrainian and Russian deaths. So now that we've cleared up your adorable little strawman, do you have any thoughts on the actual subject?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:03 pm to ned nederlander
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What a time to be alive
Indeed it is. Indeed it is.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:03 pm to Joshjrn
In October of 1941 FDR approved 1 Billion dollars in aid to Russia. Interest free and five years before they had to repay us.
I wonder if these Putin arse kissers would have objected?
I doubt it.
I wonder if these Putin arse kissers would have objected?
I doubt it.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:04 pm to Chromdome35
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Sources tell CNN Ukraine is ready to offer the U.S. veto power over its battle moves in exchange for bigger, better American weapons
@MarquardtA
reports
That's interesting. I honestly thought our folks were already coordinating military maneuvers
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:10 pm to Joshjrn
ISW Update
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Ukrainian forces continued to make substantial gains around Lyman and in Kherson Oblast in the last 48 hours
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Russian President Vladimir Putin may be continuing efforts to redirect blame for recent Russian military failures in Kharkiv Oblast
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Russian officials released Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) director Ihor Murashov from detention and are likely continuing to undermine Ukrainian control of the plant.
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian forces have made substantial gains around Lyman and in northern Kherson Oblast over the last 24 hours.
The Russian units defeated on these fronts were previously considered to be among Russia’s premier conventional fighting forces.
Russian President Vladimir Putin may use the appointment of Lieutenant-General Roman Berdnikov to the command of the Western Military District to redirect blame for recent or future Russian military failures in Kharkiv Oblast.
Russian officials released the director of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, whom they had illegally detained, and are likely continuing to undermine Ukrainian control of the plant.
Ukrainian forces made advances on the Oskil River-Kreminna line towards the Luhansk oblast border.
Ukrainian forces advanced in northern Kherson Oblast.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is introducing punitive measures to target the Russian bureaucratic institutions responsible for the execution of partial mobilization.
Russian officials acknowledged that the Kremlin intends to invade, occupy, and illegally annex additional Ukrainian territory in the south and east and may alter the claimed borders of its occupied territories.
The Russian State Duma approved the Kremlin’s illegal accession treaties on October 3 and laid out the administrative timeline for integrating illegally annexed Ukrainian territory into the Russian Federation.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:16 pm to HailToTheChiz
I think many of us had that impression.
I can see the US saying no to this. Not sure that we really want to take a more active (visible) role in war planning for Ukraine.
ETA: After devoting a few more brain cells to this, Say we give Ukraine ATACMS in exchange for mission planning...and those ATACMS are used to kill Russian troops...its not a very big jump for Russia to accuse us of directly killing Russian soldiers. And they would be right, imagine what the US would have said if Russia did that to us. I do not think the US should agree to this...too much downside. I would rather just give them ATACMS under the same conditions we gave them HIMARS. That is much less of an escalation on our part as it doesn't really change anything other than extending the range Ukraine can hit them at.
I can see the US saying no to this. Not sure that we really want to take a more active (visible) role in war planning for Ukraine.
ETA: After devoting a few more brain cells to this, Say we give Ukraine ATACMS in exchange for mission planning...and those ATACMS are used to kill Russian troops...its not a very big jump for Russia to accuse us of directly killing Russian soldiers. And they would be right, imagine what the US would have said if Russia did that to us. I do not think the US should agree to this...too much downside. I would rather just give them ATACMS under the same conditions we gave them HIMARS. That is much less of an escalation on our part as it doesn't really change anything other than extending the range Ukraine can hit them at.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:19 pm to HailToTheChiz
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That's interesting. I honestly thought our folks were already coordinating military maneuvers
No. NATO is just advising and there are some American “consultants” coordinating the logistics for Ukraine, but nobody really in decision making.
I have been busy all day and unable to keep up. I saw a large jump in the number of pages in the thread. Anything happen today or was it just some
running up the page count?
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