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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:01 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:01 am to
Slowly but surely.



Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:02 am to
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A senior defense official said it will take six months to two years to get most of those weapons and equipment to Ukraine, and “a few years” for the additional HIMARS to arrive. The official said the 18 HIMARS are an investment in Ukraine’s future defense, and said the contract does not rule out other U.S. efforts to send additional HIMARS more quickly through the faster Pentagon drawdown program.


This reporting from the AP makes it sound like there might be a short and long-term provision going on if we're in fact sending them now.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40233 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:03 am to
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Are there still a lot of citizens living in Kherson?


It’s believed that 30% of the pre invasion population was unable to leave the city. The city had a popular of almost 300,000 before the war so there are about 100,000 left in the city.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3787 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:45 am to
LINK

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The Belarusian Military has reportedly been placed on High Alert following Unconfirmed reports that the Lukashenko Government is preparing to Mobilize around 120k Reservist and Military Aged Men around the Country.

Men around Belarus have also reportedly begun to receive summons to report to specific Military Commands around the Country.




Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74827 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:48 am to
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The Belarusian Military has reportedly been placed on High Alert following Unconfirmed reports that the Lukashenko Government is preparing to Mobilize around 120k Reservist and Military Aged Men around the Country



This has been about the 10th time this been posted
Maybe it will happen this time
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:51 am to
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It’s believed that 30% of the pre invasion population was unable to leave the city. The city had a popular of almost 300,000 before the war so there are about 100,000 left in the city.

Hopefully it’s a short siege or the locals are going to really suffer. Once the Russian soldiers run out of supplies, they’re going to take whatever the locals have left and probably commit some horrific atrocities.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25254 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:56 am to
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Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine, the Ukrainian decided to lay siege to Kherson city instead of storming it. They are trying not to destroy their own city and don’t want to suffer the casualties of trying to storm the city. Kherson is far enough south that the Dnieper River is not going to freeze and form an iceroad for resupply. The Ukrainians can use HIMARs and artillery to keep the city cut off and the Russians will eventually run out of food and ammo.


That is also what I've heard.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9915 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:13 am to
This has been posted already, but this article is really interesting about how Putin is directly overriding his military commanders' judgement to try to hold Kherson in order to prop up his political theater about southern/eastern Ukrainian referenda.

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President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has thrust himself more directly into strategic planning for the war in Ukraine in recent weeks, American officials said, including rejecting requests from his commanders on the ground that they be allowed to retreat from the vital southern city of Kherson.

A withdrawal from Kherson would allow the Russian military to pull back across the Dnipro River in an orderly way, preserving its equipment and saving the lives of soldiers...

But such a retreat would be another humiliating public acknowledgment of Mr. Putin’s failure in the war, and would hand a second major victory to Ukraine in one month. Kherson was the first major city to fall to the Russians in the initial invasion, and remains the only regional capital under Moscow’s control. Retaking it would be a major accomplishment for President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

But American officials briefed on highly sensitive intelligence said that behind the scenes Mr. Putin is taking on an even deeper role in the war, including telling commanders that strategic decisions in the field are his to make. Although Mr. Putin has accepted some recommendations from military commanders, including the mobilization of civilians, his involvement has created tensions, American officials said.

The officials said that Mr. Putin’s rejection of a military pullback from Kherson has also led to a decrease in morale among Russian troops who have been mostly cut off from their supply lines, and who appear to believe they could be left stranded against Ukrainian forces...

Pulling Russian forces back past the Dnipro River would also be a stark rebuttal to Mr. Putin’s referendum there on joining the Russian Federation. Holding such sham votes is a key objective of Moscow. Blocking them remains one of Kyiv’s top priorities.




LINK

Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:41 am to
Suicided??
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The director of the "Russian Railways"(RZD) subsidiary Co. "Digital Logistics" shot himself

Twitter
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9915 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 11:41 am to
WeeWee, think this will be of particular interest to you:

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A Johns Hopkins anesthesiologist and her spouse, a doctor and major in the U.S. Army, were federally indicted for attempting to provide medical information about members of the military to the Russian government.

Anna Gabrielian and Jamie Lee Henry, who had a secret security clearance as a doctor at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, communicated and met with an undercover FBI agent who they believed was from the Russian embassy, offering sensitive medical information on military members and their family, the indictment alleges.

During an initial Aug. 17 meeting in a Baltimore hotel room, Gabrielian told the undercover agent that “she was motivated by patriotism toward Russia to provide any assistance she could to Russia, even if it meant being fired or going to jail.”

Her spouse had access to not just medical information, she said, but insight into how the U.S. military establishes an army hospital in war conditions and about training the military provided to Ukrainian military personnel. Henry participated in a second meeting later that night.

“My point of view is until the United States actually declares war against Russia, I’m able to help as much as I want,” Henry told the undercover agent, according to the indictment. “At that point, I’ll have some ethical issues I’ll have to work through.”

“You’ll work through those ethical issues,” Gabrielian replied.


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Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2099 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 12:05 pm to
Peskov said the occupied territories will be formally annexed into Russia at 3pm Moscow time tomorrow. Then there is also this from Ukrainian military intelligence:

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@Faytuks A representative of #Ukraine's intelligence service says the threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine is "very high".


Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
9762 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 12:40 pm to
Former Premier League player summoned to serve in Russian army
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Former Everton player Diniyar Bilyaletdinov has been summoned to serve in the Russian army. Bilyaletdinov, 37, received a summons after Russia president Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilisation in which he aims to call up 300,000 troops following the invasion of Ukraine.

Bilyaletdinov is over the age limit of 35 but has previously served military duty for Russia. His father, Rinat Bilyaletdinov, believes the former Everton midfielder was wrongly called up to serve the country. "Diniyar really received a summons," Bilyaletdinov Sr told ria.ru. "It's hard to talk about emotions, because he didn't serve, although he did military service, but it was specific, with a sports bias. That was 19 years ago. That is, yes, he took the oath, but served in the sports line. "The law still says -- to call people up to 35 years old, and he is 37, so there is some kind of inconsistency. Now it will be found out whether this agenda is correct or it was sent early. Anything can happen.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5179 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 12:45 pm to
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@Faytuks A representative of #Ukraine's intelligence service says the threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine is "very high".


I hope this ends up being an exaggeration, but wonder if the annexations are the pretext for their use under the guise of “existential threat to Russian territory.”
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:04 pm to
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This reporting from the AP makes it sound like there might be a short and long-term provision going on if we're in fact sending them now.
Yes. In that same article it says that the Pentagon should announce another Presidential drawdown of immediate weapons next week. Maybe those are the systems that are already being shipped.




Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5843 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:37 pm to
Sham annexations or not if Russia uses nukes there’s no way NATO sits by and does nothing. Putin is really playing with fire. It would take NATO all of about 5 days to completely destroy any Russian presence in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 1:38 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9815 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:42 pm to
It's pretty obvious over the last several weeks that this is the game plan.
Posted by joemuggs
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
609 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:42 pm to
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Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine, the Ukrainian decided to lay siege to Kherson city instead of storming it. They are trying not to destroy their own city and don’t want to suffer the casualties of trying to storm the city. Kherson is far enough south that the Dnieper River is not going to freeze and form an iceroad for resupply. The Ukrainians can use HIMARs and artillery to keep the city cut off and the Russians will eventually run out of food and ammo.



Makes sense. Also probably strategic benifit in drawing as much RU resources to the point on the front that its furthest from Russia and most exposed especially if you are thinking you can get in behind it.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15416 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:45 pm to
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I hope this ends up being an exaggeration, but wonder if the annexations are the pretext for their use under the guise of “existential threat to Russian territory.”


Yeah, this isn't going to work. I'm not saying they won't use a tactical nuke. But it will not deliver victory for them. No country in the world except North Korea will support this. I'm guessing the Chinese still want to sell trinkets to the world.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26055 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:50 pm to
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I'm guessing the Chinese still want to sell trinkets to the world.


Looks like where Russia bought these helmets:

Twitter
Posted by joemuggs
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
609 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I hope this ends up being an exaggeration, but wonder if the annexations are the pretext for their use under the guise of “existential threat to Russian territory.”


i have no idea if he will follow through with it (don't see how it helps his cause) but i 150% guarantee this is what Putin wants the west to think.

However, At this point in my opinion the consequences to our security and global stability of backing down to this bullying are worse than the risk of tactical nukes.
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