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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:22 pm to Warfox
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:22 pm to Warfox
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ONLY if we pay ourselves back what is owed FIRST.
I don’t know what the exact dollar amount is, but the USA has provided Ukraine with less than 100 billion USD. Even if the treasury only gets 50 cents on the dollar, the USA can reimburse itself and still have over 50 billion USD left over.
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:22 pm to Chromdome35
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If Belarus has security commitments in place with Russia, and Russia declares war, it puts a Belarus in a very tight spot.
Maybe but we saw how Russian security assurances played out with Armenia and the CSTO. I guess it really depends on how Luka wants to go out? Being Gaddafied by Belarusians or drinking nuclear flavored tea?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:25 pm to CitizenK
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they are having issues equiping present front with modern weapons. How is general mobilization going to help?
Cannon/machine-gun fodder to tie the Ukrainians down. Russia used human wave attacks to take Mariupol and Severodonetsk and it appears it is getting ready to use them again.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:27 pm to Burhead
Agreed either he does join or Putin puts one of his underdeputies( whose also likely a Putin plant) in charge.
Either way Belarusian railway workers are going to suddenly find railroad tracks to "fix" again I bet
Either way Belarusian railway workers are going to suddenly find railroad tracks to "fix" again I bet
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:32 pm to Chromdome35
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If Belarus has security commitments in place with Russia, and Russia declares war, it puts a Belarus in a very tight spot.
Well technically Russia and Belarus were supposed to be required to help Armenia. Luka could just pull a Putin and send an observer to help Putin like he did with Armenia. That’s not likely to happen but oh it would be hilarious if it did.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:34 pm to jfan244888
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Russian President Putin and Minister of Defense Shoigu’s planned Address to the Nation is now running 1 hour late and State Media is playing 100th Anniversary of the Republics.
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RT has deleted its post on Twitter that #Putin will address the nation at 20:00PM Moscow Local Time
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WTF is going on in Russia? How does a totalitarian dictator’s prerecord speech not air on time?
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Rumour has it that Putin’s speech has been delayed due to his long walk from the end of the table to the press room.
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Ok now it makes sense.
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Speculations on Twitter about why Putin’s speech is delayed: 1. He is rewriting the script. 2. He has lost the script. 3. There is a coup in the Kremlin
Come on twitter this is Putin not Biden. He didn’t lose the script.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:45 pm to Burhead
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I guess it really depends on how Luka wants to go out? Being Gaddafied by Belarusians or drinking nuclear flavored tea?
He could always call up China and flee to China in the middle of the night. Employee the treasury then spend the rest of your life sitting on a beach and drinking is not a bad way to spend your day.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:50 pm to WeeWee
Nice. Russia state media watchers are used to broadcasts of the Bolshoi when state media doesn't have its narrative directives yet.
Seeing this now from the Russian State Duma (lower house): no mobilization but possibly scattered martial law?
Of course, it's Putin who matters...
Seeing this now from the Russian State Duma (lower house): no mobilization but possibly scattered martial law?
Of course, it's Putin who matters...
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:58 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:00 pm to Chromdome35
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If Russia escalates this by "annexing" part of Ukraine, undertaking a mobilization, and declaring war, I think the US will respond, at a minimum, by supplying ATACMS to the Ukrainians.
If Belarus, starts to become an active participant, I believe Poland will come off the sidelines.
From a worldview perspective, this is entering the most dangerous phase so far.
certainly could be a big escalation.
even if Poland enters, as long as they dont envoke article 5, i do not beleive it is that big of an escalation though in the grand scheme
so let me preface that by saying....i do not beleive this is goign to turn into some ww3 unless china gets invovled. in general Ukraine and Poland will destroy russia, although at great cost, so long as russia doesnt go nuclear.
if russia goes nuclear...its a game changer and puts the whole world at peril.
i am a beleiver that russia has not maintained their nukes and has less than a dozen ready to deploy based on budget numbers. I may be wrong, but even if i am right that is a lot of death and suffering before they can be defeated.
by dangerous phase...imo means the same thing as a desperation phase that could envoke most of eastern europe in war because as soon as he annexes and starts mobilization....Nato and the US/Poland immediately ramp up our aide in the form of new tanks, f-16s and long range missles. we also ramp up our intellegence to ukraine.
if belarus comes into play...i 100% agree, poland mobilizes and does not invoke article 5. they roll belarus and slowly start defeating russia. from there its what does Putin do out of desperation???
he and the russian people already blame the west, particularly the US, for things going bad in Ukriane. they beleive we have given them our latest tech, which is honestly laughable, so how they react to impending defeat is a very very big question.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:07 pm to Chromdome35
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If Russia escalates this by "annexing" part of Ukraine, undertaking a mobilization, and declaring war, I think the US will respond, at a minimum, by supplying ATACMS to the Ukrainians.
If so they should be repainted to look like cigarettes.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:10 pm to lsu777
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Vladimir Putins speech on Ukraine did not happen at 20-00 as it was announced, and it not clear when it will be aired. Journalists from the Kremlin pool were writing just half an hour ago that they are "waiting", but it does not seem like something is to happen today
Looks like Putain’s speech might not happen today after all.
ETA: It was a bad day for the Russian stock market.
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This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:33 pm to lsu777
quote:I can see China taking advantage of a disintegrating Russia and sending troops in to "stabalize" Eastern Russia / Siberia. They have no need for a weak country with control issues as an ally.
.i do not beleive this is goign to turn into some ww3 unless china gets invovled.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:56 pm to TigerDoc
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@Faytuks Serbia's president believes that in a "month or two" the world may enter into a conflict that has not been seen since the Second World War, Ria Novosti reports
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:57 pm to mmcgrath
Russia disintegrating would be a disaster for everyone
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:58 pm to Burhead
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@Faytuks Serbia's president believes that in a "month or two" the world may enter into a conflict that has not been seen since the Second World War, Ria Novosti reports
:eyeroll:
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:20 pm to jeffsdad
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Russia disintegrating would be a disaster for everyone
Absolutely. The problem is that Russia is stubbornly committed to several courses of action that will continue to diminish its standing and harm its internal stability. At this point we can't stop Russia from bringing itself down. They are obviously becoming desperate in the wake of their failures.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:23 pm to lsu777
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From a worldview perspective, this is entering the most dangerous phase so far.
What did you expect. Putin ain't fighting. He can conscript every able bodied, of age person in Russia for his adventure. No sweat off his balls.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:30 pm to TigerDoc
William Faulkner would be envious of your 71 word sentence: 
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Putin's control of the media and the political and security state allows him to dictate perception of reality with a Potemkin mobilization for a while and I suppose he's holding out hopes for a Hail Mary of the European winter and energy prices to break the coalition, but if Russia is saying it's fully mobilizing against the Europeans fighting them in Ukraine, it seems like that strategy also takes a hit.
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