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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:20 pm to
I wonder if this well change Ukraine tactics and and make the Coastal cities like Mariupol and Kherson more of a focus on retaking.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:22 pm to
The levels of desperation are almost hard to believe.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

Russian State Duma passed a couple war-themed laws that would harshly persecute voluntary surrender, looting and desertion under conditions of “mobilization, martial law and wartime” which are not yet enacted

Putin is supposed to address the nation in an hour or so


Posted by Russians with Attitude (pro Russia source) about an hour ago so guess we will be hearing what Putin's plans are shortly LINK

ETA: Sky News link should show the speech live when it starts LINK
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

We have information that Putin is preparing to announce mobilization, reports Presidential Advisor for National Security Jake Sullivan.


LINK
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16152 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:29 pm to
they are having issues equiping present front with modern weapons. How is general mobilization going to help?
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

they are having issues equiping present front with modern weapons. How is general mobilization going to help?

Those T-34's aren't just going to drive themselves.
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1168 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:38 pm to
Agreed. And just like Czar Nicholas in WWI if Russians started to lose on "Russian Soil" it could end very badly for Putin.

This is a last ditch effort.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28812 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:39 pm to
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they are having issues equiping present front with modern weapons. How is general mobilization going to help?

Aside from nukes, Russia doesn't likely have any additional hardware. These latest moves are less rational than the invasion itself.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:44 pm to
Another interesting note in all of this:

LINK

quote:

In the event of a declaration of war, Belarus will be obliged to support Russia, this is implied by the collective agreements between the states – Russian outlet Readovka


Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2796 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:50 pm to
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Capture Starobilsk and the only rail and major connection between the Luhansk oblasts and the Donetsk oblasts is severed. Plus every time Ukraine captures a rail line Russian forces flee. I doubt announcing the annexation of the 2 oblasts will carry much weight if the new Russian soil is split in 2 and Russian troops are retreating.


That spur may already be worthless since the UKA can reach the triple rail bridge south of Valyuki from the territory rolled up in the latest Kharkiv offensive. It is approximately 20 km from the bridges to the border and as such that puts that entire spur out of Belgorod/Vulyuki/Starobilsk out of commission to actually resupply from Russia proper.

Now if you mean to cut off the direct rail link from Staroblisk to Luhansk, I agree that it would seriously limit the ability to transfer troops back and forth, but right now with the BVS spur out all supplies have to be rerouted through Liski, Russia south to around to Luhansk and then up north.

It might be just as easy to cut off the rail traffic with HIMARS hitting the rail bridge at Polovynkyne and just let the entire northern sector wither and die with no rail access.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:53 pm to
Anybody out there think that Luka doesn't slooow roll that "alarm to wartime standards"?
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1168 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:55 pm to
If he slow plays this he'll have the nuclear vodka with his dinner by tomorrow
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7410 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:58 pm to
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They are having issues equiping present front with modern weapons. How is general mobilization going to help?


Russian law is a weird thing; mobilization means a very different approach to who can be sent into the conflict zone, a stark departure from the last 30 years of Federation law, which even Chechnya did not change. It will at the very least allow them to flood in desperately needed additional manpower to try to slow the Ukranian counter-offensive, even if not resolve the logistics problems that underly the losses.

This move is a pretty significant escalation, but also one of a dwindling number of cards left in Putin's hands, and it will bring much more political pressure into his conflict than ever before.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:58 pm to
He's in a tough spot. Putin obviously owns him, but if he engages in Ukraine, what does he think Putin can do to protect him? Russia's already not meeting its mutual defense agreements in CSTO and they're sucking wind in Ukraine. Central Asia sees it and surely Luka does too.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17727 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:03 pm to
If Belarus steps in, you think Poland steps in to aid Ukraine?

Poland can request NATO not invoke Article 5 and go HAM on Russia
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:09 pm to
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ONLY if we pay ourselves back what is owed FIRST.


This seems reasonable. $300B is about six times what we've appropriated in Ukraine. You'd have plenty left over for rebuilding Ukraine and even contingently handing some back to Russia if there's a new regime willing to play ball.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8187 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:11 pm to
If Russia escalates this by "annexing" part of Ukraine, undertaking a mobilization, and declaring war, I think the US will respond, at a minimum, by supplying ATACMS to the Ukrainians.

If Belarus, starts to become an active participant, I believe Poland will come off the sidelines.

From a worldview perspective, this is entering the most dangerous phase so far.


This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1168 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:15 pm to
Not only that. This also puts the missiles Ukraine was asking for last week back in play. As well as old F16s.

Putin may think he's been holding back. But the US hasn't given Ukraine everything either.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:15 pm to
I really don't see Luka joining the war if he hadn't done so before now. He can't afford to send his army into Ukraine or he'll be thrown out of power.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8187 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

I really don't see Luka joining the war if he hadn't done so before now. He can't afford to send his army into Ukraine or he'll be thrown out of power.



If Belarus has security commitments in place with Russia, and Russia declares war, it puts a Belarus in a very tight spot.
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