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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:33 pm to soccerfüt
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:33 pm to soccerfüt
Sorry about that, I plead guilty to being a child of journalists/English prof and so when you quoted it there I felt compelled to re-read to make sure there's subject-verb agreement and all the clauses still work. 
I just googled and it looks like Faulkner had a 1287-word sentence in Absalom, Absalom (longest in the English language according to this source), so I'll just have to do better next time.
I just googled and it looks like Faulkner had a 1287-word sentence in Absalom, Absalom (longest in the English language according to this source), so I'll just have to do better next time.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 3:56 pm
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:52 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 9/20/22 at 5:41 pm to jeffsdad
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Russia disintegrating would be a disaster for everyone
The only way Russia disintegrates is if WW3 breaks out and Russia is forced into an unconditional surrender. Since that I highly unlikely then I do not believe that we need to worry about Russia disintegrating.
Plus if Russia pisses off Europe too much it could permanently lose access to the European O&G markets. It would then be dependent on natural gas exports to China to keep its economy afloat. At that point China could practically dictate the price and terms of any energy deal between the 2 countries which would benefit China big time.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 6:11 pm to Kentucker
Though he is an obvious homer, I like his daily updates.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 6:42 pm to WeeWee
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The was never hope of a diplomatic solution.
There is but it requires Putin accidentally fall out of a 30th floor window.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:19 pm to Warfox
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ONLY if we pay ourselves back what is owed FIRST.
What are you talking about?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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#Putin's speech is expected from 9:00 to 10:00 Moscow time on September 21
According to the source of #Russian Telegram channels, the broadcasting groups of Russian TV and radio channels have warned about this very time slot for the #Kremlin host's speech
@nexta_tv
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:04 pm to Chromdome35
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If Russia escalates this by "annexing" part of Ukraine, undertaking a mobilization, and declaring war, I think the US will respond, at a minimum, by supplying ATACMS to the Ukrainians.
If Belarus, starts to become an active participant, I believe Poland will come off the sidelines.
From a worldview perspective, this is entering the most dangerous phase so far.
Yeah then things get potentially messy. Idk what Poland will do, but if they choose to join the fray I expect they’d have a lot of success, but also brings risk of missile launches in their direction. Whether intercepted or not, that’s an article 5 call I think. Stupid move for Russia and Belarus, but this “special operation” has had plenty of those on their behalf.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:05 pm to WeeWee
What I mean is not Russia itself, but all its puppet states breaking away.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:30 pm to jeffsdad
Isw update
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Russian-appointed occupation officials in Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts announced on September 20 that they will hold a “referendum” on acceding to Russia, with a vote taking place from September 23-27.
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The Kremlin’s annexation plans are primarily targeting a domestic audience; Putin likely hopes to improve Russian force generation capabilities by calling on the Russian people to volunteer for a war to “defend” newly claimed Russian territory.
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Putin may believe that he can appeal to Russian ethnonationalism and the defense of purportedly “Russian peoples” and claimed Russian land to generate additional volunteer forces.
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The law notably does not order full-scale mobilization or broader conscription or make any preparations for such activities.
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ISW has observed no evidence that the Kremlin is imminently intending to change its conscription practices. The Kremlin’s new law is about strengthening the Kremlin’s coercive volunteerism, or what Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov called “self-mobilization.”
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Putin’s illegal annexation of occupied Ukrainian territory will broaden the domestic legal definition of “Russian” territory under Russian law, enabling the Russian military to legally and openly deploy conscripts already in the Russian military to fight in eastern and southern Ukraine.
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Russian-appointed occupation officials in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts announced the formation of “volunteer” units to fight with the Russian military against Ukraine.
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The Russian State Duma separately passed new incentives for foreign nationals to fight in Russia’s military to obtain Russian citizenship and will likely increase overseas recruitment accordingly
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Putin’s appeals to nationalism may generate small increases in volunteer recruitment from within Russia and parts of occupied Donetsk and Luhansk
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Local Russian administrators will continue to attempt to form volunteer units, with decreasing effect, as ISW has previously reported and mapped.[10]
Russian forces and the Wagner Private Military Company are also directly recruiting from Russian prisons, as ISW has previously reported
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Putin likely hopes that increasing self-mobilization, and cracking down on unwilling Russian forces, will enable him to take the rest of Donetsk and defend Russian-occupied parts of Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts. He is mistaken.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin likely also intends to deter Ukraine’s ongoing counteroffensives by annexing occupied Ukrainian territory and framing Ukrainian attempts to liberate occupied territory as attacks on Russia
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Key Takeaways
Russian-appointed occupation officials in Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts announced on September 20 that they will hold a “referendum” on acceding to Russia, with a vote taking place from September 23-27.
The Kremlin’s annexation plans are primarily targeting a domestic audience; Putin likely intends to improve Russian force generation capabilities by calling on the Russian people to volunteer for a war ostensibly to defend newly-claimed Russian territory.
Ukrainian forces continued disrupting ongoing Russian efforts to reestablish ground lines of communications (GLOCs) across the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
Russian forces are likely targeting Ukrainian hydrotechnical infrastructure in Kharkiv and Luhansk oblasts to threaten Ukrainian positions along the Siverskyi Donets River.
Russian forces conducted ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast on September 20.
Russian forces did not conduct any confirmed ground attacks west of Hulyaipole on September 20 and continued routine artillery strikes throughout Zaporizhia Oblast.
Russian forces continue to degrade their force generation capabilities by cannibalizing training elements to fight in combat formations in Ukraine.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:51 pm to TigerDoc
Not even close. Much of what was given is out of storage, some of it deep storage. Also, lend lease deal. Even HIMARS is scheduled to be phased out. Heck, we have even given HARMS which are a decade past expiration date.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:12 am to CitizenK
Partial Mobilization
Video clip in link
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1572467792984539139
Video clip in link
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1572467792984539139
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BREAKING: Putin declares partial mobilization, the decree has been signed.
“Only citizens who are currently in the reserve and, above all, those who served in the Armed Forces, have certain military specialties and relevant experience, will be subject to conscription.“
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:17 am to CitizenK
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7:15am
Putin gives details on partial military mobilisation
Russian reservists will be conscripted into Russia's military, Vladimir Putin has said.
"I shall stress that Russian citizens called up as part of mobilisation will be given all the benefits of those serving under contract."
7:08am
Putin: Russia's aim is to 'liberate the Donbas'
Vladimir Putin has said Russia plans to take control of the Donbas.
"Our aim is to liberate Donbas," he said, adding that military volunteers fighting in the eastern part of Ukraine would be given the same status as members of Russia's armed forces.
7:01am
Putin's speech begins amid reports he has ordered a partial mobilisation
Russian President Vladimir Putin's address to the nation has begun.
State news agency Tass has reported he has ordered a partial military mobilisation
LINK
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:20 am to Chromdome35
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Partial Mobilization
Let me guess the rest of the speech:
1) National destiny. Lenin. Peter the Great. Ukrainians are Russians. Blah. Blah. Western subversion of history.
2) We must defend Ukraine from the neo-Nazis!
3) NATO is crossing our red lines!
4) We will use our nukes to defend the motherland!
5) I'm very serious!
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:22 am to StormyMcMan
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military volunteers fighting in the eastern part of Ukraine would be given the same status as members of Russia's armed forces.
So they'll be fertilizer too.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 1:23 am
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:23 am to Chromdome35
Breakdown of speech
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:28 am to MikeyFL
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7:23am
FCDO Minister: ‘We should take Putin’s threats seriously’
Foreign Office Minister Gillian Keegan has said the West should take Vladimir Putin’s threats “seriously”.
In his address to the nation, Mr Putin warned that he is not bluffing when he says Russia has powerful nuclear weapons to respond to Western “aggression”.
7:27am
Putin orders funding boost for Russian weapons production
Vladimir Putin has ordered an increase in funding to boost the country's weapons production to support Moscow's war effort in Ukraine.
Russia is believed to be running low on supplies of weaponry, particularly sophisticated, long-range guided missiles
LINK
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Putin: I consider occupied areas of Ukraine to be Russia and any attempt to reclaim them will trigger a nuclear response. If this principle is allowed to stand,
@yarotrof
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"All defences, including nuclear ones, will be used in case of a threat to the territorial integrity of Russia, this is not a bluff," says Putin
@flash_news_ua
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 1:31 am
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:41 am to StormyMcMan
I wonder how much time Putin has left on Earth. Honestly, the best approach might be to let his military drink themselves to death in the Donbas during winter and let Putin's cancer do the world a solid.
I know there are other megalomaniacs who might take over Russia. However, there's a good chance the next Russian leaders would prefer keeping their yachts, their vacation homes, and their childrens' access to prestigious Western boarding schools and universities.
I know there are other megalomaniacs who might take over Russia. However, there's a good chance the next Russian leaders would prefer keeping their yachts, their vacation homes, and their childrens' access to prestigious Western boarding schools and universities.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 1:44 am to MikeyFL
Shoigu mentioned 300,000 reservists being called up.
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