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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:46 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:46 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Democracy is not a good system though. It didn’t work for the Greeks, and it doesn’t work any better for us
We are actually a constitutional federal representative republic w/a democratically elected gov't.
But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:56 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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We are actually a constitutional federal representative republic w/a democratically elected gov't. But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
And we became a super power and passed countries that were centuries older. It had nothing to do with our system?
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:01 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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We are actually a constitutional federal representative republic w/a democratically elected gov't. But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
Not that it negates your argument, but he’s still right.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
ISW update
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Russian forces are continuing a measured return from the operational pause and conducted limited ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast on July 17.
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Key Takeaways
Russian forces continued a measured return from the operational pause and did not make any confirmed territorial gains on July 17.
Russian forces continued limited ground assaults around Siversk, Bakhmut, and Donetsk City and otherwise fired at civilian and military infrastructure throughout the Donbas.
Russian forces focused on defensive operations north of Kharkiv City and along the Southern Axis.
The Kremlin may be setting long-term conditions for force generation efforts in anticipation of protracted hostilities in Ukraine.
Russian occupation authorities are likely using the threat of partisan activities to justify harsher societal controls in occupied areas.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:07 pm to DabosDynasty
Biden sat by initially, Ukraine's resolve made a huge difference
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:10 pm to Lakeboy7
We do have former members of our military including spec ops types but volunteers on their own. Some have ancestors who were oppressed by Russians in the past.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:32 pm to Lakeboy7
Russia lost on February 24th when they crossed the Ukrainian border. They were immediately exposed as a weak and corrupt nation.
Their military is a reflection of their failed culture. It’s severely outdated and does not have a sound command structure. Success is determined by how much loot you can accumulate.
Except for Moscow and St. Petersburg, their citizens live in virtually third world conditions, hand to mouth with no prospects for improvement.
Take away the extensive welfare that’s being pumped into Eastern Kentucky and you have a setting virtually identical to that of rural Russians. A population of almost all white people who are impoverished, ignorant, unmotivated to change and welcoming to a ruler to tell them what to do.
Their military is a reflection of their failed culture. It’s severely outdated and does not have a sound command structure. Success is determined by how much loot you can accumulate.
Except for Moscow and St. Petersburg, their citizens live in virtually third world conditions, hand to mouth with no prospects for improvement.
Take away the extensive welfare that’s being pumped into Eastern Kentucky and you have a setting virtually identical to that of rural Russians. A population of almost all white people who are impoverished, ignorant, unmotivated to change and welcoming to a ruler to tell them what to do.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:40 pm to red sox fan 13
Zelenskyy is a Globalist rat, an ugly 5-2 manlet, and an NWO stooge.
Slava Russkie!
Slava Russkie!
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:56 pm to SirWinston
Zeleniskyy is taller than Pootie Putin, the runt of the bunch
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:59 pm to Kentucker
Our missiles were able to hit with more accuracy in the 1970's than Russia's are today. At least that was the case for a friend who was in fire control on the light guided missile Albany when firing at their 70 MPH drone targets. They were not supposed to hit them but occasionally an intentional OOPS would happen.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:05 pm to Bunk Moreland
I lived in the RF 2006-2010 and a CIS country from 2012 to 2017.
My friends from those countries were shocked when the USA and UK let RF take Crimea.
Putin was able to take land from Georgia and Moldova without any USA or EU repercussions, but Ukraine had a security "guarantee" which was as weak as Obama's "Red line" in Syria.
Sadly no lethal aid was given to Ukraine until 2017 by Trump, and that was a limited # of antitank weapons.
USA should have not allowed Russia to build its army and munitions up for 8 years to attack. Ukraine should have been given air defense and artillery back in 2014.
My friends from those countries were shocked when the USA and UK let RF take Crimea.
Putin was able to take land from Georgia and Moldova without any USA or EU repercussions, but Ukraine had a security "guarantee" which was as weak as Obama's "Red line" in Syria.
Sadly no lethal aid was given to Ukraine until 2017 by Trump, and that was a limited # of antitank weapons.
USA should have not allowed Russia to build its army and munitions up for 8 years to attack. Ukraine should have been given air defense and artillery back in 2014.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:09 pm to LSU7096
Yup and as a reward for Trumps generosity, NWO stooge Zelenskyy helped the Democrats impeach him by quietly supporting the great lie.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:32 pm to SirWinston
I’ll bet this turns you on, SirWinston. It’s okay, you’re living in a western culture that doesn’t judge. You can call him your Pootie Poot Poot if you want. He’s a small man, just like you like ‘em.
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:14 am to Kentucker
Winston is a total phony, not worth any time.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:15 am to Kentucker
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Pootie Poot Poot
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:55 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 18 July 2022
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia has used private military company Wagner to reinforce front-line forces and to mitigate manning shortfalls and casualties. Wagner has almost certainly played a central role in recent fighting, including the capture of Popasna and Lysyschansk. This fighting has inflicted heavy casualties on the group.
Wagner are lowering recruitment standards, hiring convicts and formerly blacklisted individuals. Very limited training is made available to new recruits. This will highly likely impact on the future operational effectiveness of the group and will reduce its value as a prop to the regular Russian forces.
Wagner head, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, has recently been made a Hero of the Russian Federation for Wagner's performance in Luhansk. This, at a time when a number of very senior Russian military commanders are being replaced, is likely to exacerbate grievances between the military and Wagner. It is also likely to impact negatively on Russian military morale.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 18 July 2022
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia has used private military company Wagner to reinforce front-line forces and to mitigate manning shortfalls and casualties. Wagner has almost certainly played a central role in recent fighting, including the capture of Popasna and Lysyschansk. This fighting has inflicted heavy casualties on the group.
Wagner are lowering recruitment standards, hiring convicts and formerly blacklisted individuals. Very limited training is made available to new recruits. This will highly likely impact on the future operational effectiveness of the group and will reduce its value as a prop to the regular Russian forces.
Wagner head, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, has recently been made a Hero of the Russian Federation for Wagner's performance in Luhansk. This, at a time when a number of very senior Russian military commanders are being replaced, is likely to exacerbate grievances between the military and Wagner. It is also likely to impact negatively on Russian military morale.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:45 am to CitizenK
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Biden sat by initially, Ukraine's resolve made a huge difference
That isn’t completely accurate. Prior to the invasion, Biden was sounding the alarm, publicly saying that Russia was about to invade. Putin publicly denied it. Other western leaders denied it. Factions in this country criticized him for it, saying that it wasn’t true. Meanwhile the administration insisted that its intelligence was correct and that the western world should respond forcefully.
And then despite Putin’s personal denials, etc, Russia did exactly what Biden said they would do.
A large part of the very swift and unified response was the leadership of the U.S. administration and its actions before the invasion.
It simply isn’t true that the Administration “sat by initially.”
However, the other part of your statement, about the impact of Ukrainian resolve, is absolutely true. Not many people, me included, thought that Ukraine would be able to beat back Russia, or even battle to a standstill. Ukrainian resolve has changed everything.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:51 am to Kentucker
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I’ll bet this turns you on, SirWinston
Y'all haven't realized he's just an act by now?
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:53 am to CitizenK
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Our missiles were able to hit with more accuracy in the 1970's than Russia's are today.
I can’t speak to the 70’s, but I can assure you that wasn’t the case in the 80’s.
To be fair, my experience is with ASROCS, Tomahawks, and Sea Sparrows.
I would suggest that they are equal to them.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:54 am to TBoy
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Biden was sounding the alarm, publicly saying that Russia was about to invade.
The man didn’t do interviews.
I’m going to need to see some links.
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