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Posted on 6/19/22 at 11:04 pm to PassingThrough
I certainly agree that there are many ups and downs. I never said otherwise.
The USA losing in Vietnam and Afghanistan in humiliating fashion show anything is possible.
The USA losing in Vietnam and Afghanistan in humiliating fashion show anything is possible.
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 11:58 pm to DabosDynasty
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1538268055234564096
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Kharkiv Frontline Update
North east of Kharkiv Russians forces have launched a counteroffensive to recapture liberated territory. The offensive manged to recapture the towns of Ternova and Izybyts'ke.
This counteroffensive already looks to have run out of momentum.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:14 am to StormyMcMan
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Russian forces are likely conducting false-flag artillery attacks against Russian-held territory to dissuade Ukrainian sentiment and encourage the mobilization of proxy forces.
The Kagans are awful people.
The Ukrainians fired around 400 shells on Donetsk city yesterday. 7 dead, two dozen wounded.
One commentator suggested that the Ukrainians are trying to force the Russians and the DPR to shift resources to Donetsk.
The Ukrainians have engaged in terror shelling of civilian targets in the rebel territories since 2014, but the volume of fire has never been this high.
The drawing resources explanation makes sense to me.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:17 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence
Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 20 June 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russian ground and tactical air operations have remained focused on the central Donbas sector over the weekend.
In the conflict to date, Russia's air force has underperformed. Its failure to consistently deliver air power is likely one of the most important factors behind Russia's very limited campaign success. It cannot gain full air superiority and has operated in a risk-adverse style, rarely penetrating deep behind Ukrainian lines. Some of the underlying causes of its difficulties echo those of Russian Ground Forces. For years, much of Russia's air combat training has highly likely been heavily scripted and designed to impress senior officials, rather than to develop dynamic initiative amongst air crews.
While Russia has an impressive roster of relatively modern and capable combat jets, the air force has also almost certainly failed to develop the institutional culture and skill-sets required for its personnel to meet Russia's aspiration of delivering a more Western-style modern air campaign. This has led to a greater than planned weight of effort falling to ground troops, who are becoming exhausted; and on advanced cruise missiles, stocks of which are likely running low.
Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 20 June 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russian ground and tactical air operations have remained focused on the central Donbas sector over the weekend.
In the conflict to date, Russia's air force has underperformed. Its failure to consistently deliver air power is likely one of the most important factors behind Russia's very limited campaign success. It cannot gain full air superiority and has operated in a risk-adverse style, rarely penetrating deep behind Ukrainian lines. Some of the underlying causes of its difficulties echo those of Russian Ground Forces. For years, much of Russia's air combat training has highly likely been heavily scripted and designed to impress senior officials, rather than to develop dynamic initiative amongst air crews.
While Russia has an impressive roster of relatively modern and capable combat jets, the air force has also almost certainly failed to develop the institutional culture and skill-sets required for its personnel to meet Russia's aspiration of delivering a more Western-style modern air campaign. This has led to a greater than planned weight of effort falling to ground troops, who are becoming exhausted; and on advanced cruise missiles, stocks of which are likely running low.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:25 am to cypher
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:51 am to cypher
Just a thought but it may be likely that the technology is not as modern as thought but more cosmetic. Not a lot different than their Armata tank which hasn't seemed to move beyond prototype.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:55 am to DabosDynasty
That seemed an odd thing to go after, but I came across this tweet:
LINK
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According to the Russian media, Ukraine hit the derrick of the "Chornomornaftogaz". Russian Navy using these derrick for surveillance.
LINK
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:00 am to SirWinston
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The USA losing in Vietnam and Afghanistan in humiliating fashion show anything is possible.
how the frick did we lose in afghanistan? I mean the exit was a fricking shite show but in no way shape or form did we lose.
hell we didnt really lose vietnam either, though its a much better arguement.
you have no arguement we lost afghanistan unless you think leaving anything other than a functioning democracy is a loss.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:09 am to StormyMcMan
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That seemed an odd thing to go after, but I came across this tweet:
quote: According to the Russian media, Ukraine hit the derrick of the "Chornomornaftogaz". Russian Navy using these derrick for surveillance.
I thought the same, but did not see the tweet you shared. Good catch.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:11 am to DabosDynasty
More background on the platforms...
Ukraine purchased these natural gas offshore drilling platforms in 2011-2012. The deal was widely criticized, as the cost was double of their market price. The rigs became known as the notorious “Boyko’s towers,” after then-Energy Minister Yuriy Boyko, an ally of the fugitive former president Viktor Yanukovych.
During the annexation of Crimea in 2014, Russia seized these offshore facilities. They were later used for reconnaissance, besides natural gas extraction.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Ukraine purchased these natural gas offshore drilling platforms in 2011-2012. The deal was widely criticized, as the cost was double of their market price. The rigs became known as the notorious “Boyko’s towers,” after then-Energy Minister Yuriy Boyko, an ally of the fugitive former president Viktor Yanukovych.
During the annexation of Crimea in 2014, Russia seized these offshore facilities. They were later used for reconnaissance, besides natural gas extraction.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:20 am to cypher
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Lithuanian authorities have banned the transit through their territory of goods to the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad that are subject to European Union sanctions, according to the national rail service.
The enclave – home to the Russian Baltic Fleet and a deployment location for Moscow’s nuclear-capable Iskander missiles – is sandwiched on the Baltic coast between Lithuania and Poland, both NATO members, and has no land border with Russia.
Aljazeera
Found because I saw this morons tweet:
This seems like Russias problem having claims to land not connected to itself. Lithuania is complying with existing sanctions as they should. The argument seems to be Kalingrad should be excluded from the sanctions because they’re not part of Russia? Ok, kick the Russians out and give it back to Poland
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:32 am to DabosDynasty
Yeah, Russia's strapped just trying to deal with a third rate power like Ukraine. They're not widening the conflict to Lithuania over sanctions. Lithuania holds all the cards here.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:49 am to SoFla Tideroller
If Russia wants to bomb NATO countries, no one can really stop them. It would be foolish. But the world can't constantly make decisions on the basis of whether someone in Russia will get their feelings hurt, especially when Russia is actively invading and attempting to conquer neighboring countries.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:50 am to DabosDynasty
Snake island getting lit up....
Ukrainian Missile Strikes Reported on Russian Targets in Black Sea
Ukrainian forces have launched missile strikes against two separate Russian targets in the Black Sea, according to local Ukrainian media and Russian occupational authorities in the Russian-controlled Crimea peninsula.
At 04:30 AM on June 20 a series of up to 10 explosions were heard on Russian-occupied Zmiyny Island in the Black Sea, just over 350 km from the Ukrainian mainland.
The explosions, reported on Ukrainian social media, were heard as far away as the Ukrainian coastal region of Odesa, where residents reported seeing the rockets hit the island and explode.
Ukrainian media, citing sources in Ukraine’s intelligence community, have speculated that the strikes were carried using U.S. HIMARS missiles and inflicted heavy Russian casualties.
Kyiv Post
hoping for confirmation regarding this strike.
That 350 km in the article is wrong. More like 35 km.
Ukrainian Missile Strikes Reported on Russian Targets in Black Sea
Ukrainian forces have launched missile strikes against two separate Russian targets in the Black Sea, according to local Ukrainian media and Russian occupational authorities in the Russian-controlled Crimea peninsula.
At 04:30 AM on June 20 a series of up to 10 explosions were heard on Russian-occupied Zmiyny Island in the Black Sea, just over 350 km from the Ukrainian mainland.
The explosions, reported on Ukrainian social media, were heard as far away as the Ukrainian coastal region of Odesa, where residents reported seeing the rockets hit the island and explode.
Ukrainian media, citing sources in Ukraine’s intelligence community, have speculated that the strikes were carried using U.S. HIMARS missiles and inflicted heavy Russian casualties.
Kyiv Post
hoping for confirmation regarding this strike.
That 350 km in the article is wrong. More like 35 km.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:16 am to TBoy
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If Russia wants to bomb NATO countries, no one can really stop them
ummm we absolutely could. we absolutely would know they were going to do it and absolutely could take out the launch on the pad.
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But the world can't constantly make decisions on the basis of whether someone in Russia will get their feelings hurt, especially when Russia is actively invading and attempting to conquer neighboring countries.
this we can agree on.
***FTR pretty sure this might be the first time we have ever agreed on anything. and I still think you politics are dog shite****
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:19 am to DabosDynasty
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Ok, kick the Russians out and give it back to Poland
Königsberg was a German city.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:26 am to cypher
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That 350 km in the article is wrong. More like 35 km.
Yep, per Google Earth the 35 km is to uninhabited marsh that's not going to work very well for launching attacks. More like 50 km for a town similar to Venice, LA. If it inflicted heavy casualties on the Russians then they are stupid (possible given their past performance) - this attack had to be expected, hell, it's been speculated on in this thread.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:33 am to Lima Whiskey
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quote:
Ok, kick the Russians out and give it back to Poland
Königsberg was a German city.
So how did Russia get it?
The same way they got Crimea. Georgia, etc.
They need to give it back to Germany.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:36 am to Lima Whiskey
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Königsberg was a German city.
I think we can all agree if we’re deporting the Russian population from there in this hypothetical, the best annexation option would be Poland or even Lithuania in terms of geography and historical conflict. We’ll consider it very delayed reparations from USSR for their treatment of both countries and avoidance of benefit to Germany for the same reason.
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