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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46565 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:57 pm to
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Our C-17’s, C-5’s and C-130’s are the the gold standard for military transport.


C-5s and C-17s are fun to ride in. Riding in a Herc sucks balls.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46565 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:58 pm to
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atest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict


Where's your update on the Kharkiv region? It seems to be missing.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24309 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:04 pm to
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Moscow Times reports via hinsustannewseb that Aeroflot is taking apart its own planes to use for spare parts.


I listened to a YouTube European pilot talk about this after the war broke out. He said Moscow would steal the planes and would have to cannibalize them for parts. In the end he said it would wreck the Russian commercial aviation business. At least 50% of the fleet is Boeing or Airbus and leased from western sources. They will not be certified to fly outside of Russia because of the risk of unmaintained aircraft.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17367 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:32 pm to
What do you mean by they would steal them?

They would steal Delta steel on the tarmac or what are you saying here?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28850 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:32 pm to
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You said nothing that I already didn't know. Trump was right to get all of NATO to meet their obligations.

His point was legitimate, even though the deadline for the increased defense spending by member states hadn’t actually arrived. But the way it was spun was not. The US was not on the hook for other member states’ defense spending.

At this point, however, the other member states must certainly see the benefit of increased defense spending considering the threat that Russia presents now.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:41 pm to
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What do you mean by they would steal them?

They would steal Delta steel on the tarmac or what are you saying here?


They were leasing them from airplane leasing companies so the planes were in Russia already and the companies knew they weren't getting anymore payments.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30753 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:48 pm to
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Riding in a Herc sucks balls.


Why do you think they use them in jump school? 'Cause people would rather jump out of them than continue to ride.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46565 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:55 pm to
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Why do you think they use them in jump school? 'Cause people would rather jump out of them than continue to ride.


I find no fault in your logic sir. We have a couple herc drivers around here though, so I expect them to be offended.

This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:21 pm to
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Well is obviously not sufficient enough to capture Kiev. What is it then?


A Mistake. A failed attempt at occupation.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24309 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:27 am to
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What do you mean by they would steal them?


They would not allow the leasing companies to recover their planes. They didn't.

After war broke out, the leasing companies were no longer allowed (under sanctions) to do business with Russia.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 4:30 am
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:25 am to
Morning all, happy Victoria Day for all you monarchists. Russia seems to be subscribing to the in for a penny in for a pound warcraft theory. I’ve had good conversations this long weekend with my friends from the Baltics to the heart of Europe and through to Russia. I’m at the point where I don’t think what’s happening is stasis but an actual pause in an attempt to regroup refocus on RUs part and to allow certain weaponry and intelligence to gather on Ukraines side. Russia seems to be digging in with actual fallback positions selected for fortifications, bizarrely they believe there will be a kind of trench warfare happening through the summer months into the fall. I’m interested in RUs military command structure falling apart I'm not sure if this collapse and infighting has precedence in modern history. The infighting is intercene at this point it’s truly astonishing from a western POV. Evidently another General was killed yesterday and with every death there is a belief in the lower ranks taking hold that no one is safe. One of my favorite places Odessa is going to continue to get bombed. The question is will the right counter measures make it in time to stop the wholesale destruction of this beautiful port city? I’m being told yes. Our intelligence people know full well the blockade of Ukrainian wheat is going to cause ripples that could turn into a tidal wave if things don’t get sorted out soon. But Orban who has waffled a bit when it comes to Russia will be destroyed by another wave of refugee migration caused by African hunger. The Middle East is coming off the fence in the next few weeks because of the Black Sea blockade and Turkey will too. There is a plan in place to open the Black Sea back up and stop RUs plan from being successful. People in Russia are continuing to be arrested for protesting the war and ordinary people notice when their critical infrastructure magically blows up. In typical Russian fashion they are joking it’s another “accident” sent from Ukraine. People are also becoming resigned to the Us against the world mentality and starting to wonder if China will ever help them. Belarus is experiencing blowback with the deals reached with Russia to help in this war starting to become known. Luka partitioned his military and the 2/3rds that refused to participate are now pissed at the 1/3 that did through Wagner group. The war is hugely unpopular in Belarus but so is Luka-speculation has probability of a coup rising…Russia is getting nervous that friendly govts in their sphere might be replaced causing the need for police actions to prop up the aforementioned governments. Moldova and Crimea continue to be places to watch with strategies and logistical items ready to go. RU morale is crap with RU commanders and servicemen intentionally wounding themselves/committing suicide regularly. Intercepts have RU military saying frick Putin and his war and there is real shame at the RU military’s conduct. RU troops still are having problems getting paid and widows pensions are being shortchanged there is also real anger between the discrepancy between Wagner group compensation and regular RU army. Apparently Luka has been reassured in Sochi today that somehow, in spite of the Russian Army being hours away in the south of Ukraine the Kremlin will stop an attempted coup quickly. My Estonian friends think that’s bullshite that one of the first things that will happen is that all rail lines leading into Belarus will be destroyed as the coup is happening.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:40 am to
I appreciate the info, but could you break that up into paragraphs?


If people get desperate enough for Ukranian wheat, could this get uglier?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5766 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:53 am to
-From Reuters

In the latest fighting at the battlefront, Ukraine said on Monday it had held off a Russian assault on Sievierodonetsk, an eastern city that has become the main target of Moscow's offensive since it finally seized Mariupol last week.

Russian forces tried to storm Sievierodonetsk but were unsuccessful and retreated, Zelenskiy's office said. The city, on the Siverskiy Donets River, has been the main Russian target in recent days as Moscow tries to encircle Ukrainian forces and fully capture Luhansk and Donetsk provinces.

Also some bad news regarding a barracks being hit.

Reuters
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24309 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:54 am to
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LSUCanFAN


Interesting. I hope it is more or less correct.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 7:00 am to
They haven’t been wrong yet. Timelines been off a bit here and there but not wrong. I’m also reminded every once in a while that what they say should be treated with care and caution. Timing is everything.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 7:03 am
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:05 am to
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If people get desperate enough for Ukranian wheat, could this get uglier?


Personally I think this probability is increasing. No clue what action it leads too, but if we get to fall and global supplies continue to deteriorate decisions will be made in famine vs action to restore ag trade. From what I’ve read Chinese and American wheat crops this year are well below normal quality. In light of Ukrainian supply disruptions and Russian sanctions this would be quite problematic.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:23 am to
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light of Ukrainian supply disruptions and Russian sanctions


So the question is does the global community turn against Russia for invading Ukraine or the US for sactioning Russia for invading Ukraine.

One of these (sanctions) is much easier to undo than the other but the other is "nobler" so who knows what happens there, but maybe Egypt refusing the stolen grain from Ukraine can shed some light on the future
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:32 am to
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So the question is does the global community turn against Russia for invading Ukraine or the US for sactioning Russia for invading Ukraine.


Exactly, and I don’t think the choice is made in unison. I think there’s a mix and that’s what makes me more nervous. 3rd world and ME likely has a different view/response than the west and its global allies like Japan and SK.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5766 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:32 am to
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If people get desperate enough for Ukranian wheat, could this get uglier?


Ukraine needs to be given the tools to break the blockade. Hopefully it's on the agenda of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting being held today.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105556 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:42 am to
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Evidently another General was killed yesterday


There are twitter reports a Russian air force general was shot down in an Su25. A number of theories on why a general would be flying a combat mission, all of them pretty bizarre.
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