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re: L.A. lifeguards raked in up to $500,000 last year, watchdog report finds

Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:15 pm to
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And ylu think that’s harder than people who work two jobs, or people who run businesses and that stress? Or farmers who work around the clock? Or residents who really get fricked because they are pulling these hospital hours and not getting paid dick for it

I could go on, but there are many Americans who put these hours in out of necessity or the chase of the dollar.




My only argument is that you are full of shite claiming nurses at Ochsner worked 6 shifts a week for 52 weeks straight. This is why you keep trying to shite the conversation away form that
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:15 pm to
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What does any of this have to do with your asinine assertation?
Those people put in these hours.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:16 pm to
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My only argument is that you are full of shite claiming nurses at Ochsner worked 6 shifts a week for 52 weeks straight. This is why you keep trying to shite the conversation away form that
Ok, I won’t shift. You are wrong
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Those people put in these hours.



I know like 10 current residents. Not a single one of them would tell you they worked 4,000 hours in the last year. Two just got back from a week in Spain.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:18 pm to
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Ok, I won’t shift. You are wrong



I'm not
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:19 pm to
Those personal flotation devices ain’t gonna install themselves, somebody has to pay for them.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:19 pm to
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Ok, I won’t shift. You are wrong


Your claim is the minority way out of the norm claim. You have no evidence to back it up. You have a history of saying empirically inaccurate things.

But sure, we'll just take your word for it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:19 pm to
Residents are capped at an average of 80 hour work week. That was put in to place because how out of control it was getting

But I won’t speak for them, let’s ask some residents to chime in how it was for them
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:21 pm to
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But I won’t speak for them, let’s ask some residents to chime in how it was for them


I just told you how it was for almost a dozen.

I also know dozens that work/have worked in public accounting, another high hour industry. Every single one of them utilizes those 25 days of PTO. The same PTO days that are included in your total hours "worked" for the year.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Residents are capped at an average of 80 hour work week. That was put in to place because how out of control it was getting

But I won’t speak for them, let’s ask some residents to chime in how it was for them


Whole lot of forum posts from actual doctors don't back up your claims for residents too. But like you I'll let them speak for themselves.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Your claim is the minority way out of the norm claim
ai have never claimed it’s normal. Hell, my assertion was that I guess 0.025% of the population does it. Surely that doesn’t make me sound like I am claiming it as “normal”

Just you are foolish with your absolute thinking of the “impossibility” of working these hours
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:22 pm to
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What does any of this have to do with your asinine assertation?



Nothing and I doubt he knows many people that consistently work 80 hour work weeks.

I doubt he knows any farmers, let alone some that 'work around the clock'

He's dug in though
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:23 pm to
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ai have never claimed it’s normal. Hell, my assertion was that I guess 0.025% of the population does it. Surely that doesn’t make me sound like I am claiming it as “normal”

Just you are foolish with your absolute thinking of the “impossibility” of working these hours


For floor nurses, it is impossible. I don't even care about the exhaustion part or Ochsner never paying all the OT/bonuses part. Finding that many shifts to work would be impossible
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:23 pm to
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Just you are foolish with your absolute thinking of the “impossibility” of working these hours


Practical impossiblty.

Has someone done it, I'm sure they have. But for every one person that actually has worked those hours, there's a dozen that are stealing time.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:35 pm to
$150k in salary
$246k in OT
$29k in other pay
$85.5k in benefits

Also, without knowing the OT rules, it is hard to calculate how many hours he was putting in. I believe California has a daily OT rule, after 8 hours you start earning OT, and a double OT rule after 12 hours.

Also odd is the Chief has a salary of $243k, he makes 162% of his boss's salary?
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:36 pm to
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So he made $350,000 in overtime. At time and half that's over 3,200 hours of overtime, or over 60 extra hours a week.

Perfectly reasonable, imo



That's not how it works.
Take a seat and follow along how fricked up some labor contracts are for union employees.

I'm an analyst who has worked on payroll efforts at plants for many years.

This is one extreme example at a plant I worked at in 2001.
A shift worker who makes $20/hr and works 4 12 hr shifts every 7 day period, so 48 hours a week

Monday 14 hours.
Tuesday 12 hours
Wednesday 16 hours
Thursday 12 hours.
Friday off but called in only to get to go home.
Sat off
Sun off but called in and worked 2 hours and went home.

His pay would look like this under that union contract.

monday 8 hours @ $20/hr, 4 hours at $30/hr, 2 hours at $40/hr
tuesday 8 hours @ $20/hr, 4 hours at $30/hr
wednesday 8 hours @ $20/hr, 4 hours at $30/hr, 4 hours at $40/hr
thursday 8 hours @ $20/hr, 4 hours at $30/hr

here's where it got GOOD. Call-out pay. smdh.

Friday 4 hours call out time @ $40/hr to just drive to plant and go home.
Sunday 4 hours call out time @ $40/hr + 2 hours at $40/hour that he actually worked + 6 hours at $20/hr for Sunday premium pay.

Now this was an extremely fricked up contract that favored the union labor. Guys worked MAYBE 60 hrs a week total but were pulling in $100k a year with $20/hr pay grade.
This plant subsequently shut down and re-opened 3 years later sans union.

But you can see how premium pay codes will multiply the shite out of an hourly employee's wages.

Nurses during the pandemic were raking it in at OLOL in Baton Rouge under similar 'emergency' compensation.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:38 pm to
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Just you are foolish with your absolute thinking of the “impossibility” of working these hours


Its a scam. The LA guy is padding his OT and his supervisor is complicit or an idiot.

Good supervisors don't have this issue. Particularly in easily replaceable fields.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24218 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:04 pm to
Was he salaried or not? How is a guy salaried at $150k getting that much OT? Why not just pay them $180k or $200k and no OT? That's still a shite ton of money even for California to be a lifeguard.

ETA; I'm guessing the others are right and he works some sort of Fireman 48/24 schedule. So he works like 48 on/ 24 off and does that twice a week, gets paid to sleep, and then works 96 hour work weeks with OT.

LOL at the comment "he's not getting paid to sit in the sun with his feet in the sand", no he's getting paid to sleep A LOT.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by John88
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:25 pm to
Where so I sign up
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:34 pm to
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Tax Dollars at work.


Do you live in California? Why do you care how they spend their Tax Dollars? California has an Annual GDP of $3 trillion, if they want to spend that money to keep their residents from drowning let them.
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