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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:39 am to
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:39 am to
That makes sense.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:43 am to
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They shouldn't be fricked because the remedy to that is cross in the 2nd trial. Bev probably isn't going to boot them but she isn't going to allow them to provide any new reports/info based on the Commonwealth's expert - that didn't even provide all of his info to the defense until the end of March.


If they lied about planning to pay or paying these experts, they would be a big trouble and she could kick them off the case, which would create a total cluster frick.

I don't think they did, they ended up paying them after the trial when the Feds said they need to.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:44 am to
Good lord, they spend as much time at sidebar as testimony. Was it like this for the first trial?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:46 am to
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If they lied about planning to pay or paying these experts, they would be a big trouble and she could kick them off the case, which would create a total cluster frick.


If this would happen, would the judge declare a mistrial?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:49 am to
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If this would happen, would the judge declare a mistrial?


I don't know what would happen. But Karen Read is entitled to using the evidence, so if Jackson et al get removed, she would need a remedy.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:02 pm to
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If they lied about planning to pay or paying these experts, they would be a big trouble and she could kick them off the case, which would create a total cluster frick.

I don't think they did, they ended up paying them after the trial when the Feds said they need to.

Right but the Commonwealth knows about the payment now and about ARCCA being retained for the 2nd trial so they can ask about that. It had no bearing on the outcome of the first trial. If anything, based on a juror interview from the first trial, them not having paid ARCCA prior to the end of the first trial hurt the defense because the jurors speculated they were hired by the insurance company and had a vested interest in saying Karen didn't hit John.

Bev can boot whatever witness she wants for basically any reason she wants. A judge is a god in the courtroom and while she may be overturned on an appeal and Karen get a new trial if she boots ARCCA and she's convicted that's not anything close to a foregone conclusion.

The payment disclosure is harmless error and the remedy is the commonwealth getting to cross ARCCA about payments during their testimony. It's certainly less harmful than the commonwealth "discovering" inverted video of the sallyport in the middle of the trial and not disclosing it was inverted. Something the defense remedied through cross.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:12 pm to
The issue is if counsel lied to the judge at any point. She can remove them for that.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:56 pm to
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She can remove them for that.
Has that ever happened? Seems like extreme prejudice. Are writs sought during a criminal trial ever? Stay issued?
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:11 pm to
It's happened, but very rare.



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Are writs sought during a criminal trial ever? Stay issued?


Yes they are sought, but very usually aren't granted.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Bev can boot whatever witness she wants for basically any reason she wants. A judge is a god in the courtroom and while she may be overturned on an appeal and Karen get a new trial if she boots ARCCA and she's convicted that's not anything close to a foregone conclusion.


I don't think he's talking about Bev booting ARCCA. I think he's talking about her booting Read's lawyers.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:05 pm to
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Seems the family is likely to try to sue her over anything after the trials. I think they've said something to the effect already.


This might be me overthinking, but when I heard or read this I thought it was them playing to public opinion.. Putting it out there and people would think "well if they are going to file a civil suit then they must know something that will win their case in civil court". Maybe not, but I took that statement with a grain of salt.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 1:12 am to
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 2:47 am to
Ummm is right.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 6:18 am to


Kate Peter is a vile person! This is well deserved! Expose the scum!
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15075 posts
Posted on 4/26/25 at 6:32 am to
Biased Bev has to address this immediately. We need to verify the statements attested to in this affidavit.

And some people need to charged with charges.

Oh and drop this sham against Karen Read.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 7:14 am to
The whole bringing in an outside prosecutor thing always raised a flag for me in this case.

Kern moment
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 10:31 am to
I agree this needs to be investigated immediately. I am pretty skeptical of some of these claims though.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:32 pm to
It’s a real shame that Turtleboy is the face of the Free Karen Read movement.
Posted by WinnaSez
Jackson, MS
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Kate Peter is a vile person!


Who is she?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 8:37 am to
Cellebrite expert is on the stand explaining that the search on McCabes phone wasn't from 2:30am...
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