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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:15 am to civiltiger07
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:15 am to civiltiger07
That's basically where I'm at, I don't think whatever happened was intentional. I've also wondered if something happened inside the house, he attempted to leave, and collapsed in the yard which is how he ended up there.
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:17 am to idlewatcher
My honest opinion, any doubt I had about her innocence has been erased by the corruption of this judge. It is now blatant that she’s doing everything in her power to not let her go. Heads need to roll after this trial is all said and done. And if I’m a juror, this solidified my stance and innocent on all counts. If you can’t answer a simple question, I’m not wasting my time.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:19 am to YOURADHERE
All the MEs agree, from what I recall, that his skull was fractured on a slight raised surface, like a step, a brick, or something on the flat ground.
There's nothing on the ground around where John died like that.
There's nothing on the ground around where John died like that.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:23 am to KosmoCramer
Correct, I'm thinking a fight in the basement, the dog got involved and bit him, and he fell backwards and hit his head. From there did they place him outside or did he get there on his own I suppose we'll never know. The "hos long to die in the cold" thing makes me lean more towards the people in the house, one way or the other, atleast knowing he was outside.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:24 am to 10tiger
Not to mention the frickery of missing 45 mins of tape from sallyport. That alone would create the reasonable doubt I needed for NG.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:30 am to YOURADHERE
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he fell backwards and hit his head. From there did they place him outside or did he get there on his own I suppose we'll never know.
We are almost 100% certain he was placed outside by someone. Once he got the injury to the back of his head the ME's pretty much all agree he would be knocked out instantly.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:40 am to civiltiger07
I’ve seen this head injury throughout my career. This is a fatal head injury 99% of the time. Unconscious immediately and less than 30 min to deceased. He did not walk and stumble anywhere. He was moved. I would bet my house on it.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:05 am to berrycajun
quote:A hung jury doesn't guarantee a 3rd trial if the CW determines it isn't worth taking another shot.
Taxpayers having to pay for ANOTHER trial with experts and the whole nine yards could be avoided if there were “not guilty” options next to all the lesser charges. If they had the OPTION to say not guilty to all, but hung on #5, then there would only be an OUI trial, not a manslaughter while OUI trial.
Am I misunderstanding something?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:22 am to Wiseguy
Who plays Karen Read in a the movie?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:23 am to OweO
Dakota Johnson
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:40 am to OweO
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:41 am to civiltiger07
The social media criminal lawyers cannot believe what's going on with Bev and question 4. It's like she wasn't there for trial #1.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:56 am to 10tiger
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I’ve seen this head injury throughout my career. This is a fatal head injury 99% of the time. Unconscious immediately and less than 30 min to deceased. He did not walk and stumble anywhere. He was moved. I would bet my house on it
And his cellphone was in the 50 degree range for much of the night, as if he was in the garage. More towards the morning his phone suddenly dropped into the 20’s, after they dragged him in the yard. Then they parked a Ford Edge on the curb to conceal his body
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:58 am to AlxTgr
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The social media criminal lawyers cannot believe what's going on with Bev and question 4. It's like she wasn't there for trial #1.
They are literally trying to avoid what happened after the first trial and she's essentially wanting the same shite to happen again.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:09 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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A hung jury doesn't guarantee a 3rd trial if the CW determines it isn't worth taking another shot.
The DA has promised to prosecute this case no matter how many trials it takes. Certainly easier said than done with the cost of these 2 trials already but the mindset says a lot.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:15 am to LSUGrrrl
The should just write on that sheet NOT GUILTY OF ALL...bye we going home
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:19 am to LSUGrrrl
quote:Talk is cheap. Trial is not. Where dollars are involved, there are always limitations.
The DA has promised to prosecute this case no matter how many trials it takes.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 am to Epic Cajun
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quote: Unfortunately for KR, the jury seems hung on the OUI, which in this case is going to be a worse scenario than a guilty verdict.
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What?
If the jury is hung on the lesser included, OUI, then all of count two, including manslaughter, will be retried. That is worse than being convicted on OUI because an OUI conviction with no collision will not be more than a few days, nothing close to the 2.5 years. The risk of the entire count being retried runs the risk of much worse convictions than an OUi in the re-re-trial.
Thus, IMO, a guilty to OUI is better than NG on counts one and three with a hung jury on count two.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:45 am to Saintsisit
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He's simply saying if they find her guilty of OUI, she's done with this mess. If they hang, she can be recharged on all of #2.
Right. You explained it more artfully than I did.
In this case a guilty on OUI is better than hung on OUI because they will get a third bite at the manslaughter apple, which cannot happen if she is found only guilty of lesser included OUI this trial.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:48 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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Talk is cheap. Trial is not. Where dollars are involved, there are always limitations.
The DA pretty much has an unlimited budget. They are paying a special prosecutor to try the case, so clearly resources are not an issue and they want a conviction. You have to remember, a cop died. The commonwealth is not going to walk away from that IMO. They’ve already paid experts at least half a million. They can use those experts again, and refine their opinions, so it will not cost nearly as much for a third trial. I cannot see a scenario where manslaughter is still on the table and the Commonwealth walks away.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 10:50 am
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