re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

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This seems like such a common sense thing to do that I can’t believe in 2nd trial that they are struggling with this again.

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Right?!? How has this never been changed or overturned.

I will also say, the jury instructions for ours were very wordy and sometimes tough to follow when the judge was reading them aloud and it was probably only 5-10mins.

I can only imagine the confusion that this verdict slip added to the 30 min mumbo jumbo jargon Bev spit out as instructions.

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This seems like such a common sense thing to do that I can’t believe in 2nd trial that they are struggling with this again.

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The CW shitty slip is costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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I mean, they could be hung on Motor Vehicle Homicide too, based on how they worded their 4th question.

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Supposedly they asked the 4th question before she brought them in and answered the 1st 3.

There's a delay in her answering them. Not sure why she wouldn't answer #4 while they were in front of her, hopefully its not another nefarious reason.


And they cant be hung on Homicide if they are NG on count 3, leaving the scene of a Homicide or however its worded.

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And they cant be hung on Homicide if they are NG on count 3, leaving the scene of a Homicide or however its worded.

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Huh?

Count 2 is Manslaugher, lesser charge is the Involuntary Manslaughter, then Motor Vehicle Homicide…

Based on the way they asked the question, they COULD be hung on MVH. Not saying they are, but they specifically asked about 2 charges and hung on another

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Anyone know why they are off tomorrow?

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Thought they were on tomorrow and then potentially off Thursday and Friday….

Something I don’t understand.. the jury forms have two counts:

- Count 1: 2nd degree murder
- Count 2: Manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence

Then they have the lesser included charges under count 2:
- Involuntary manslaughter
- Motor vehicle homicide
- OUI

Why aren’t all of the lesser offenses (including manslaughter under the influence) listed underneath the 2nd degree murder charge?

To put it another way - what’s the legal difference between a separate count and a lesser included charge?

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What im saying is, they're NG on Count 3 (leaving the scene of a collision resulting in death), they can't be hung up on the Manslaughter charge on Count 2. That only leaves OUI.

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Huh? Again, they could be NG on Manslaughter, NG on Involuntary Manslaughter, but hung on Motor Vehicle Homicide. They clearly asked, “if they find her NG on 2 charges” but “hung on others”.

They could have someone believe she hit him and killed him and left without knowing…which would be Motor Vehicle Homicide but not knowingly leaving the scene. Still not sure why you’re hung up on this. I’m not saying they ARE, just the way they worded the question doesn’t mean they are only hung up on OUI…which they could be as well, who knows

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Their 1st questions were about the time the OUI could be enforced and her interview.

That's obvious that they're hung up on the OUI.

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That could be one of the charges they are hung on. I agree, it 100% points to that direction, but doesn’t mean it was the only thing they were hung up on.

If they wanted to understand the timing of the final charge for when she was OUI, that could impact where they fell on the Motor Vehicle Homicide charge too.

Again, I 100% think she should be found not guilty on all the charges, and believe they are hung on the OUI, but I’m just once again pointing out that it doesn’t have to be.

And your point earlier was about leaving the scene….which I explained how some random juror could find guilty of one and not the other (though I don’t believe they should).

As I mentioned earlier, having been on a trial with 5 charges, we actually found the guy not guilty on 1 of the counts, sexual battery, despite finding him guilty of rape and sodomy. We actually found him NG of sexual battery before we got to the unanimous on the other charges. You have no idea which direction the deliberations are going, neither do I, which is why I’m putting out hypotheticals based on what we’ve seen

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Four days without deliberations would make this a total shite show.

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The way this is going isn't the norm for a trial right? Why not keep the jury... IDK. two hours later in the day. If they would have done this, they might have already had a verdict. This makes not sense to me.