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re: Justice Department indicts 3 men on federal hate crime charges in death of Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:37 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:37 pm to magildachunks
everything in the Mcmichaels lives will be turned upside down looking for past instances of racist behavior with the hate crime charges
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:37 pm to Kujo
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I did see a funny tick tock about crime.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:38 pm to magildachunks
What percentage of black people are responsible for the hate against black people?
Like what % of white women are Karens?
Like what % of white women are Karens?
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:28 am to Kujo
I honestly don’t think that killing was a hate crime. Not everything is racial. Some things are just fricked up. The situation just got way out of hand. The guy who got killed was a scumbag, but the punishment did not fit the crime.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:29 am to GEAUXmedic
What's Pesticide been up to?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:29 am to 3PieceSpicy
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honestly don’t think that killing was a hate crime. Not everything is racial.
Apparently he called him a N***** after shooting him.
So this act alone means that it can be classified as a "hate crime" which is an aggravating factor in the killing. And it also being labeled as a "kidnapping" gives it another aggravating factor.
You need aggravating factors to seek the death penalty. That doesn't mean the DA will seek out the death penalty, but these give him the leeway to seek it, which also gives him the leeway to use it as an intimidation factor to seek a plea agreement where they accept a plea to avoid the death penalty.
It also gives the federal attorneys a way to prosecute as well. So if these two connected individuals manage to skate on any tough or long sentence within the state charges they face, the feds can still prosecute and get their own sentences, which rarely will run concurrently with state.
So if they plead to 10 years with the state, they can still get 25 through the feds, and the day they get paroled or serve teh max time for the state, they would be handed over to the feds to serve that time.
Like I said: these guys are fricked.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 3:31 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:54 am to BluegrassBelle
I bet they have the trail in the city of Atlanta.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:01 am to magildachunks
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You don't understand the reasons for finding something to be a "hate crime".
I understand that they are stupid because they are arbitrary and unequal.
We daily hear instances of some thugs preying on people where their race is a factor and not a fricking peep, but the moment whitey does it it’s a “hate crime”
I despise hypocrisy in these instances, and it’s so blatant
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:03 am to The Pirate King
the fact that The Pirate King is still doing his "Arbery was the aggressor" bit, even after deleting all of his old posts in the original thread is fricking hilarious to me
AND he deleted all of his posts AGAIN
AND he deleted all of his posts AGAIN
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 8:08 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:19 am to Salmon
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the fact that The Pirate King is still doing his "Arbery was the aggressor" bit, even after deleting all of his old posts in the original thread is fricking hilarious to me
Looking strictly at the video, Arbery charged the guy with the shotgun.
If they had a right to detain Arbery then yes Arbery was the aggressor.
But I don’t think the idiots playing cop had a right to detain him. All parties involved are morons and all will pay with their lives.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:31 am to WaWaWeeWa
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If they had a right to detain Arbery then yes Arbery was the aggressor.
If you try to corner someone on foot with your trucks and you hop out with a shotgun, you are the aggressor.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:31 am to WaWaWeeWa
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If they had a right to detain Arbery then yes Arbery was the aggressor.
That’s really what a lot of this comes down to. If my memory serves me correctly, they were working on the premise that a neighbor claimed someone was trespassing on property. They didn’t physically see him on the property.
In Georgia, you have to have legitimate knowledge of a felony offense to pursue a citizen’s arrest. The kicker is that the father is former law enforcement from that area and can’t feign ignorance of the law. He knew they couldn’t pursue and did it anyway.
I also believe at one point they glanced him with the truck in the pursuit. They were very clearly the aggressor. Looking at just him charging McMichael’s at the front of the truck is taking AA as the aggressor way out of context of the whole situation.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:47 am to pvilleguru
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If you try to corner someone on foot with your trucks and you hop out with a shotgun, you are the aggressor.
I agree. That’s why I said IF they had the right to detain him. Which I highly doubt, but I’m not an expert on the citizen arrest laws in Georgia.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:58 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Not everything is racial. Some things are just fricked up. The situation just got way out of hand.
Would they have chased him and tried to detain him if he was white? I would say with a high degree of certainty that they wouldn't have. While I agree a lot of the stories about "racist cops" are overblown and not based on racism, this one seems pretty clearly to be racially motivated.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:11 am to magildachunks
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And the owner claims he never saw this guy on his cameras or on his site before that day.
Unless he changed his story. He turned all his tapes over to the feds.
Pretty sure he said that because he was being harassed. The mob went after him.
You like down voting facts madchunks. It's okay to point out black people commit crimes.
Hell,Arbery was no stranger to theft.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:14 am to lionward2014
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Would they have chased him and tried to detain him if he was white? I would say with a high degree of certainty that they wouldn't have.
Have you ever heard of people holding someone down until police arrived?
It's only by race? My brother and I held down this Chinese guy that assaulted my dad. The guy didn't assault us, We ran after him and caught him two blocks away. (Parking dispute)
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:19 am to supatigah
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everything in the Mcmichaels lives will be turned upside down looking for past instances of racist behavior with the hate crime charges
I think they already found recent social media posts that illustrate his distaste for the melanin enriched.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:26 am to lionward2014
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Would they have chased him and tried to detain him if he was white? I would say with a high degree of certainty that they wouldn't have.
Is that proof of a hate crime? Couldn’t we pose that hypothetical for every crime committed by a black person against a white person?
That’s why it’s a stupid law. You would have to be in the head of the individual to know for sure. Unless they explicitly state they did it because he was black.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:34 am to WaWaWeeWa
From the political board, he had a history of claiming to be a jogger. Remember people don't have police interaction every single time they commit a crime. How many burglaries does one do before one has a police interaction 10-20?
If criminals were caught every single time there would be no crime. When they get caught they think they just were unlucky that one time.
If criminals were caught every single time there would be no crime. When they get caught they think they just were unlucky that one time.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:38 am to Kujo
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Have you ever heard of people holding someone down until police arrived?
It's only by race? My brother and I held down this Chinese guy that assaulted my dad. The guy didn't assault us, We ran after him and caught him two blocks away. (Parking dispute)
that was a crime you actually witnessed to have immediate knowledge of, knew who the perp was, and you didn't kill him. you gave a terrible comparison.
a better comparison for the AA case is more like your dad's friend was assaulted a couple weeks ago, then you and your brother thought that someone may have been the assailant so you chased him down in vehicles with guns and instead of holding him down you killed him.
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