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re: Judge overturns Adnan Syed’s 1999 murder conviction. UPDATE : All Charges Dropped 10/11/22
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:34 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:34 pm to East Coast Band
The first season of the Serial podcast follows this
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:44 pm to Gamera
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If he knew this, which he appears to have known independently, then he is involved in her murder. If he is involved so is Adnan.
Which eliminates any third party from being Lee’s murderer. It had to be Jay or Adnon, and Jay has multiple alibi witnesses. Adnon couldn’t produce a single alibi in trial.
1. Adnon spends all morning and all evening with Jay.
2. Adnon let’s Jay borrow his car AND phone for the day.
3. Adnon has no alibi at trial for the time of murder, or when the body is buried.
4. Jay knows where the car is hidden, where the body is buried, and how Lee was killed.
5. Jay testified that Adnon confessed to the murder and helped bury the body and hide the car.
If Adnon is not guilty then he must be the unluckiest kid to ever spend all day in the library.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:51 pm to jrodLSUke
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Which eliminates any third party from being Lee’s murderer.
Nice summation. Which means a remorseless, manipulative murderer has gone free. Sickening.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:20 pm to East Coast Band
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It happened in 1999, which is right around the time I had babies crawling around the house. So that excuses me.
Not many people knew about it either until a podcast came out 15 years later.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:28 pm to Gamera
Adnon called Hae all the time. He even called the night before her murder. You would think that, if he believed she had just ran off, that Adnon would try to reach her after the disappearance. But...
Adnon never calls her again because he knows she can't answer the phone. Because he murdered her.
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Next, the night before Hae disappeared, Adnan called her house three times. Seems like the only time
they actually spoke was the third call, at 12:35am. That’s when Adnan says he was probably calling to
give her his new cell phone number, and she does write it in her diary. Here’s something that makes
me pause though. If you look at his cell records from that day forward, neither Hae’s home number
nor her pager shows up again, which suggests he never tried to contact her after she went missing.
Adnon never calls her again because he knows she can't answer the phone. Because he murdered her.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:33 pm to ILurkThereforeIAm
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He could never "remember" where he was or what he did that afternoon she was killed, which doesn't make much sense. I know the podcast host justified it because he was just an average teenager on an average day and therefore, if he was innocent, why would he remember what he did? It was just a regular day. No different from any other.
I mean how long after did they interview him? I can’t really remember what I was doing at a given time on a random afternoon two weeks ago. It makes sense he wouldn’t remember
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:38 pm to tylercsbn9
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random afternoon two weeks ago.
Except it wasn’t. It was the day his ex-girlfriend disappeared and turned up murdered!
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:41 pm to tylercsbn9
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I mean how long after did they interview him? I can’t really remember what I was doing at a given time on a random afternoon two weeks ago.
If your girlfriend goes missing, and the police call you and question you about her whereabouts and where you were all day, you are going to recall details much better than on a random afternoon.
If you are in high school, you and your friends are going to spend weeks talking about your missing friend, and recalling what you were each doing that day.
Adnon can recall everything he did that morning, at school, at practice, and that evening. But, at the time of the murder, for which he has no alibi, he conveniently can't remember anything.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:44 pm to Gamera
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If he knew this, which he appears to have known independently, then he is involved in her murder. If he is involved so is Adnan.
You’re right, if he did, and if the police did not know this info before him, then it’s very likely both Jay and Adnan were involved. I believe that the police knew where the car was before Jay “told” them.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:47 pm to Epic Cajun
Here's another piece of evidence used at trial. This letter was found in Adnon's bedroom.
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After Hae and Adnan broke up, in early November, Hae had written Adnan a frustrated letter…
“I’m really getting annoyed that this situation is going the way it is” she wrote, “you know,
people break up all the time. Your life is not going to end. You’ll move on and I’ll move on.
But apparently you don’t respect me enough to accept my decision.”
Aisha Pittman read this note at trial, Hae was her best friend. Adnan had shown Aisha the
letter, apparently in health class. And they had written notes to each other on the back. Aisha
in pencil, Adnan in pen. They were joking, making fun of Hae, making fun of themselves, it’s
all just silliness. But then, at the top of the page it says, “I’m going to kill.” In pen.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:49 pm to Epic Cajun
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I believe that the police knew where the car was before Jay “told” them.
Based upon what? Not being argumentative, and appreciate your viewpoint, but is there any basis for this at all?
Posted on 9/19/22 at 9:08 pm to Gamera
It’s been years since I looked into all of the evidence, but I’m almost certain that there was evidence that showed that the car was not parked where it was found for the entirety of the time that it was missed. Something like the grass was green under the tires still or something like that. I’d have to look into it again. Also during the interviews you can hear Jay constantly changing his story, and you’ll hear a tapping or knocking noise like someone is pointing to a story that he’s supposed to be following, and he gets back on track.
I’m going to have to look into all the details again, it’s been years since I’ve looked into it.
ETA: apparently the detectives interviewing Jay claim that he told them the location of the car while they were flipping the cassette tape over…it wasn’t even caught on audio when he initially told them
I’m not even saying that Adnan is innocent, he may very well be guilty, but the fact that Jay “knew” where the vehicle was isn’t enough for me. I don’t believe any part of his story, he changed stories way too often and definitely made shite up that wasn’t true.
I’m going to have to look into all the details again, it’s been years since I’ve looked into it.
ETA: apparently the detectives interviewing Jay claim that he told them the location of the car while they were flipping the cassette tape over…it wasn’t even caught on audio when he initially told them
I’m not even saying that Adnan is innocent, he may very well be guilty, but the fact that Jay “knew” where the vehicle was isn’t enough for me. I don’t believe any part of his story, he changed stories way too often and definitely made shite up that wasn’t true.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 9:22 pm to Boudreaux35
Life in prison, or life with Sarah Koenig would be quite a Sophie's Choice.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:23 pm to jrodLSUke
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If Adnon is not guilty then he must be the unluckiest kid to ever spend all day in the library
Exactly. I listened to the whole podcast and this was my thought as well. I never understood how all these people think that he was definitely innocent after listening to the podcast. Even the host wasn't completely convinced that he didn't do it. I mean Adnan's own alibi was proven to be BS. He tried to say that he was driving from one place to another on a specific route and did it in a specific amount of time when the murder happened and the podcast host drove that route and determined that what he was saying was impossible, time-wise.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
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He will be in Mexico by sundown.
Only idiots think Mexico is safe from extradition.
They will hand over an American citizen in a heartbeat.
They will resist handing over a Mexican citizen until they are promised that the death penalty is off the table.
Once that is agreed to, they will hand over the Mexican citizen.
There are very few countries that you can go to these days and not have to worry about extradition, especially if you are not a citizen of that country.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:47 pm to Rebel
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DA has 90 days to decide if they want to retry.
DA asked Judge for the release.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:50 pm to TIGERSTORM
quote:I agree
I came away from the podcast thinking he did it but that there was reasonable doubt
Posted on 9/20/22 at 6:53 am to Monkeyboy
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I listened to the whole podcast and this was my thought as well. I never understood how all these people think that he was definitely innocent after listening to the podcast.
Serial isn’t the only podcast about it, there are others with more information. Adnan also had an alibi (Asia McClain) who said that she saw him in the library at the time that the crime was supposedly occurring.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:15 am to Epic Cajun
Has anyone ever heard of the prosecution conducting and investigation with the defense to reduce a murder sentence, only to file a motion vacate the murder conviction? This is the prosecution, after the defense had exhausted all attempts to appeal the case, all the way to the Supreme Court.
We've heard of liberal Democrat DA releasing murderers, and liberal judges (an mayors) putting violent criminals back on the streets. Now we have a liberal Democrat prosecutor working with a liberal Democrat judge to just throw out murder convictions.
Marilyn Mosby, Democrat, youngest prosecutor in the US for a major city.
Associate Judge Melissa Phinn, Democrat Party, was appointed by Governor Martin O'Malley, Democrat Party.
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In a motion filed by the Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby, a nearly year-long investigation with Syed’s defense team revealed new information that points to alternative suspects, according to a statement from her office.
We've heard of liberal Democrat DA releasing murderers, and liberal judges (an mayors) putting violent criminals back on the streets. Now we have a liberal Democrat prosecutor working with a liberal Democrat judge to just throw out murder convictions.
Marilyn Mosby, Democrat, youngest prosecutor in the US for a major city.
Associate Judge Melissa Phinn, Democrat Party, was appointed by Governor Martin O'Malley, Democrat Party.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:01 am to ILurkThereforeIAm
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He could never "remember" where he was or what he did that afternoon she was killed, which doesn't make much sense
This is false. He said where he was and had a witness come forward saying she talked with him at the school library that day after she was already missing. Just for context purposes they(authorities) asked him that 3 weeks after the fact as well. It's kind of hard to remember exactly where you were 3 weeks ago to the exact time if in your mind it's just an ordinary day
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