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re: January 1, 2025: Multiple casualties on Bourbon Street after terrorist attack..
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
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Bollards don't address the IEDs, so the city would still be on the hook in your interpretation, right?
The reasonable prudent person test would not address this. There is no reasonable measure to prevent IEDs from entering the FQ.
However, knowing that this person was able to go around street bollards with ease, and then putting up basic posts that prevent it is reasonable.
Not doing so, and it happening again, would go beyond simple negligence.
I didn't intend for that line to cause this level of unproductive discussion so I will move on.
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:20 am to OMLandshark
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Yet somehow this was still out and about? No one reported him?! Or this is more likely:
Am I crazy or did they not say that he posted the videos literally two hours before the attack? You are mad that the FBI didn't find those videos and track him down at 1am on New Years Eve?
He literally says that all 5 videos were posted between 1:29 am and 3:02 am.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:21 am to TDsngumbo
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I'm now seeing why Senator Kennedy is pissed and threatening to go forward with information if the FBI doesn't tell us the truth. He knows something.
Whole thing has a stench similar to Dallas Texas FBI setup. Things that don’t make sense:
Timeline -midnight is the time that makes sense not 3am
FBI agent immediately saying not terrorist attack
Kennedy comments about Feds telling the truth
Extremely fast Timeline of them finding the IEDs and disposing of them.
Initial accomplice reports put out then very quickly rescinded.
Could it be possible that a veteran goes off the rails, joined a radical mosque, starts acting crazy, Feds get involved. He procures explosives(real or fake) and remote detonators, possibly from CI or feds themselves. He rents car and travels to Nola. He plants bombs that don’t work because obviously the feds aren’t going to supply him with actual functional explosives. He panics when bombs don’t function knowing he’s going to get caught and makes a last ditch effort by mowing down pedestrians. Hits man lift, rings his bell and barely gets a few shots off before police take him out.
It’s a crazy hypothesis, but so is the idea that this guys plan was to mow down pedestrians hours after the crowds start to die down, and set off bombs scattered in areas that wouldn’t be heavily trafficked at 3AM.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:21 am to Fun Bunch
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The city NOW knows that this particular intersection has a previous mass casualty incident in the exact same manner. They elect to not do any of even the most rudimentary preventative measures.
For your scenario to happen, the city would actually have to ACT, because they already do take tons of measures to ensure safety in that area. Much more than rudimentary preventative measures ARE in place.
So no, it would not be willful misconduct if the status quo remained.
Also, the LA supreme court has defined willful misconduct in this context
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Only the most egregious conduct by agents, employees, or representatives of public agencies that exhibits an active desire to cause harm, or a callous indifference to the risk of potential harm from flagrantly bad conduct, will rise to the level of willful misconduct.
Can you make an argument that keeping status quo in the quarter is flagrantly bad conduct of the city. Keep in mind that status quo for the quarter is the heaviest, most active and most visible police presence in the entire city.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:22 am to SWLA92
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Man still, if a drunk opens it up you still have to freak out and say something.
Most normal people aren’t going to open an ice chest on the street. Others who would I doubt have any idea what an IED looks like. I would imagine it looks like a bunch of trash and not of any use so they close it and walk away.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:22 am to SidewalkTiger
Bollard question: the ones that are being replaced — were they just im the street OR did they extend onto the sidewalk?
If they HAD extended to the sidewalk then MORE than just the cop car should have been there .. If it was just ON the street then the cop car basically replaced the bollards.
If they HAD extended to the sidewalk then MORE than just the cop car should have been there .. If it was just ON the street then the cop car basically replaced the bollards.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:22 am to Fun Bunch
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Not doing so, and it happening again, would go beyond simple negligence.
This seems like an impossible standard to meet if you apply it anywhere something happens in the city
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:22 am to SWLA92
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I heard a comment from the FBI agent in charge. He said in passing that the reason they thought there was multiple accomplices was because there was people on video opening the ice chest and walking away. Who the hell opens an ice chest with an IED and doesn’t report it? Even if you don’t know what it is it’s still gotta look fishy.
Did he say they opened it and looked inside or just that they looked at the ice chests? I heard him say they looked at them but might have missed the part in which he said that they opened them and looked inside.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:23 am to SWLA92
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Who the hell opens an ice chest with an IED and doesn’t report it? Even if you don’t know what it is it’s still gotta look fishy.
Drunks in the Quarter opening ice chests that don't belong to them are only looking for 1 thing.
If beer, help yourself.
If not beer, move along.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:23 am to SWLA92
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Man still, if a drunk opens it up you still have to freak out and say something.
"Did that dude just say he found a bomb?"
"I dunno, he's drunk off his arse."
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:23 am to 94LSU
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do know there was a big deal made about installing the last set of fancy automatic barricades, I think it was for the last Super Bowl. I guess those never worked (shocker) and are being replaced now.
Was 2017, so not for the Super Bowl
And they worked but I think beads got stuck in the tracks to slide them in and out of place making them a pain.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:23 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Also, the LA supreme court has defined willful misconduct in this context
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Only the most egregious conduct by agents, employees, or representatives of public agencies that exhibits an active desire to cause harm, or a callous indifference to the risk of potential harm from flagrantly bad conduct, will rise to the level of willful misconduct.
Awesome, thank you.
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or a callous indifference to the risk of potential harm from flagrantly bad conduct
Hmmmm
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:24 am to NoSaint
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I mean the next block is construction and he was 3 blocks into flying down bourbon on a suicide mission… his exit plan may not have been perfected either prior or during
That's one thing that many people, myself included, always seem to forget when we are sitting here calmly behind our screens
The guy committing this is frickING INSANE. He's not thinking clearly, logically, etc etc. HE IS CRAZY.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:25 am to tiger91
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Someone said they had Mardi Gras beads and whatnot messing them up.
I posted that after hearing it on the news. Supposedly trash and debris prevents these balards from moving. They just need to put jersey barriers like most places do.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:26 am to tiger91
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Bollard question: the ones that are being replaced — were they just im the street OR did they extend onto the sidewalk?
If they HAD extended to the sidewalk then MORE than just the cop car should have been there .. If it was just ON the street then the cop car basically replaced the bollards.
Only on the street
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:27 am to NoSaint
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Was 2017,
Yep, right after that Paris attack where someone drove a car into a large crowd.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:29 am to SWLA92
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Who the hell opens an ice chest with an IED and doesn’t report it? Even if you don’t know what it is it’s still gotta look fishy.
if I am blasted on Bourbon St. and idk what an IED looks like, hand to god, I'm going to assume it's a really high tech Ice Chest. There's absolutely 0% chance I'm gonna sober up and go "Hmmm, maybe I should think twice about this"
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:29 am to tes fou
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It’s a crazy hypothesis
Yeah, I’d say so
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so is the idea that this guys plan was to mow down pedestrians hours after the crowds start to die down, and set off bombs scattered in areas that wouldn’t be heavily trafficked at 3AM.
His plan was likely to set off the bombs at some point after he planted them, which IIRC they said he planted them around 1am. When they didn’t detonate he resorted to plan B.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:29 am to momentoftruth87
The column bollards that go up and down seem like a better option than what they installed.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:30 am to HenryParsons
JENA2 just touched down at MSY from Richmond
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