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Italy Starts Mass Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine.. What are we waiting for?

Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:01 pm
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TLDR; this drug works, it's inexpensive and easy to make, it will flatten the curve if given to the masses in the outpatient (clinic) setting, there are some minor side effects which are negated since this is just a 10-14 day dose, and the benefits far outweigh the rewards since we are seeing hundreds and thousands die daily

Really amazing quotes from Professor Christian Perronne, Head of the Infectious Diseases Department at the Garches University Hospital

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We have just understood that the virus has an evolution in two phases and that it is during the second phase, after a few days (about a week), that the situation can suddenly, in 24 or 48 hours, worsen and leads to respiratory failure requiring intensive care.


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The results that we are starting to accumulate suggest that hydroxychloroquine administered early, gives the possibility of avoiding this evolution in a majority of patients and is also helping us to prevent hospitals from filling up.”


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“Even though the overwhelming evidence from large randomized studies is still lacking, I am in favor of a broad prescription for the following reasons:

1. We have a large body of evidence showing that in vitro hydroxychloroquine blocks the virus. We also have several clinical results indicating that this product is beneficial if administered early and we have no mention that it harms or is dangerous in this infection (only one study, poorly detailed, Chinese, on 30 patients with control group, did not observe any benefits but also no harmful effects). What is the risk of administering chloroquine straight away: nothing!

2. This drug is very inexpensive 3. It is well tolerated in long-term treatment. Personally, I have successfully used it clinically in the chronic form of Lyme disease for 30 years at a dose of 200 mg or even 400 mg/day.


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Apart from these precautions, the undesirable effects are minor. They are even more so as the treatment is short, which is the case against Covid-19.

It would therefore be wise to produce hydroxychloroquine in very large quantities without further delay, to make it easily accessible to infected people…

I note that Italy has just authorized the wide distribution of hydroxychloroquine on medical prescription from the start of the infection and that other countries are preparing to do the same. What are we waiting for? To have more dead?”
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36707 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:01 pm to
Pretty sure this is happening now -- except for those state with a governor who forbade their docs to use it.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:02 pm to
I haven’t a clue. I’ll ask my physician to contact his mentor at Johns Hopkins and we’ll get back to you.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15311 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:02 pm to
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it's inexpensive and easy to make


Surely we can come up with something way more expensive.
Posted by FlyinTiger93
Member since May 2010
3581 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:02 pm to
They worry about side effects, but light up cigarettes every day.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120274 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:02 pm to
We are using it.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:03 pm to
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What are we waiting for?


Politics and optics.

Both of which are far, far more important than doing the right thing.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69304 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:04 pm to
There are many many people in america who are actively hoping and praying right now that this drug is ineffective, because they want a certain person to look bad for offering it as a potential treatment.

They would rather people die than see this drug improve the situation.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21250 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:05 pm to
Pretty sure it is being used widespread now. One of our own here is on it to fight COVID.

Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:05 pm to
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We are using it.


We are using it in patients on their death beds for the most part. The "point of no return" when you contract the virus.

It needs to be rolled out with mass treatment in the outpatient setting in the first 5-7 days to prevent hospital overcrowding.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119180 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:05 pm to
Can I get an amazon link for a gross?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20457 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:05 pm to
This doesn't surprise me at all, it also wouldn't surprise me that we find out that Italy's hospital system is a giant clusterfrick of horrible administration that caused a lot of their issues that would not have otherwise happened in many other countries.
Posted by nugget
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:06 pm to
How effective is is, baw?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:06 pm to
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There are many many people in america who are actively hoping and praying right now that this drug is ineffective,
holy hyperbole batman.
Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
956 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:06 pm to
Is trustnodes a reputable news outlet? Just curious because I’ve never heard of it
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69304 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:07 pm to
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This doesn't surprise me at all, it also wouldn't surprise me that we find out that Italy's hospital system is a giant clusterfrick of horrible administration that caused a lot of their issues that would not have otherwise happened in many other countries.
Italy's healthcare has been ranked 2nd in the world by some agenda-driven healthcare orgs for years now.


obviously the rankings weren't accurate.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:07 pm to
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Pretty sure this is happening now -- except for those state with a governor who forbade their docs to use it.



In Oklahoma, you need a positive COVID test to get a script as of now. I think there needs to be mass production and more leeway for physicians to get this script to patients who are waiting another 3-4 days for their test results since it has a very low side effect profile
Posted by The Sea Otter
Member since Mar 2019
582 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:08 pm to
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I’ll ask my physician to contact his mentor at Johns Hopkins and we’ll get back to you.

Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53807 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:10 pm to
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It needs to be rolled out with mass treatment in the outpatient setting in the first 5-7 days to prevent hospital overcrowding.


Agree, if available quantities and ability to produce as needed are there.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:10 pm to
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What are we waiting for?
to see how well they live
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