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re: Italy Starts Mass Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine.. What are we waiting for?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:58 pm to SEClint
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:58 pm to SEClint
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What are we waiting for?
to see how well they live
Pretty much...
With the exception of NY where does it make ZERO sense to not use it in this country? They may be waiting to get their data from Italy. How many lives does this save? How many critical patients does it turn around? Are there negative side effects to giving this med to someone who has neither malaria or RA?
Also, when the US makes a run on something, we make a run! It will be given to everybody with a sniffle. Then there will be none left for the critical and hospitalized.
Remember Anthrax and Cipro?
Meningitis and Cipro?
H1N1 and Tamiflu?
Will be great if it works, but we have to understand that there is a finite supply of this drug.
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:00 pm to OKtiger
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Italy Starts Mass Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine.. What are we waiting for?
How about a randomized, placebo controlled, double blind study showing safety and efficacy?
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TLDR; this drug works
Based on what high-quality data? The French studies have been garbage, and surely you realize that based on your medical training.
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it will flatten the curve if given to the masses in the outpatient (clinic) setting,
Where is the data showing this? How about dosing?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:01 pm to OKtiger
frick yea. Go for it Italy. From my understanding, the drug doesn't help much for those who are already in critial care, so it's not like the drug is magic that will make everything all better and disappear.
But isn't Italy averaging between 700-900 deaths a day right now. So even if that number was brought down to 400-600, that would still be a win and a step in the right direction.
But isn't Italy averaging between 700-900 deaths a day right now. So even if that number was brought down to 400-600, that would still be a win and a step in the right direction.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I love how wannabe doctors FU my friends ability to sure her Lupas medication
It is not that. I am not a little sympathetic ...
But I have to ask...if you had a condition requiring prescription medicine why did you not stock up on it when this thing was first breaking out in January -feb
I have to take prescription medicine every day and I contacted my doctor and medical and got my meds for an extended time..
it was recommended to do this...the concern was back then that there would be a disruption in the supply chain because much of our meds come from overseas.
I love how wannabe doctors FU my friends ability to sure her Lupas medication
It is not that. I am not a little sympathetic ...
But I have to ask...if you had a condition requiring prescription medicine why did you not stock up on it when this thing was first breaking out in January -feb
I have to take prescription medicine every day and I contacted my doctor and medical and got my meds for an extended time..
it was recommended to do this...the concern was back then that there would be a disruption in the supply chain because much of our meds come from overseas.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:03 pm to LSU alum wannabe
If someone show up at doctor with fever, etc, they are tested for flu. That takes 15 minutes. If negative for flu, test for rona but give them week supply of medication. Especially folks 50 plus years of age with underlying conditions. I'm over 60, with severe emphysema. I dont smoke. I was a firefighter 33 years. If I get the rona, I'm in trouble.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:03 pm to cwil177
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double blind study showing safety
These drugs have been use for many years. I think this part is well known.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:07 pm to SloaneRanger
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These drugs have been use for many years. I think this part is well known.
There are placebo-controlled, randomized, double blind studies showing safety of hydroxychloroquine in covid-19 patients? Link me Sloane.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:09 pm to OKtiger
You got stock in the manufacturer, baw? This seems to be about the fourth thread you've started or been highly engaged in on the subject. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
I wonder if the recent 100,00 - 200,000 numbers they've been throwing around have taken this med into account?
I wonder if the recent 100,00 - 200,000 numbers they've been throwing around have taken this med into account?
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:09 pm to cwil177
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Based on what high-quality data? The French studies have been garbage, and surely you realize that based on your medical training.
Speaking of basing things on data, what data (regardless of quality) do you base your accusation on?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:10 pm to BHM
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Curious as to why every other drug must go through months and months of research and clinicals and trials but we can quickly know all we need to know about this drug!
You are dumb. This isn't a new drug.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:12 pm to OKtiger
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I think you can safely assume a high fever for 3-5 days with a dry cough AND a negative flu test would warrant hydroxychloroquine out of caution
This is what they were doing. But they were also writing for extras for their family members who were asymptomatic and they were afraid they would run out. This is what the board of pharmacy told us.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:16 pm to jose
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But they were also writing for extras for their family members who were asymptomatic and they were afraid they would run out.
Did the family members test positive for COVID-19 before the script was written? If not, the MD should be called on the carpet and have some good answers for why it was written.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:20 pm to jose
Then the pharmacy should only fill for a week supply. My dad caught malaria in w.w.2. He would have flare-up about once every few years. He took the medication and felt like crap for a few days but that was it.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:21 pm to OKtiger
quote:People like me, who take it for something else, hope this is being done. Someone posted about his wife cutting hers in two because her pharmacy had run out. I got a three month supply the third week of January, so I'm Ok until nearly the end of April. Hope it's available for close to what I've been paying for it.
here needs to be mass production
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:22 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Did the family members test positive for COVID-19 before the script was written? If not, the MD should be called on the carpet and have some good answers for why it was written.
To my knowledge, no. They were just writing tons of it.
I wrote it for one lady before her test came back only because she looked sick as shite. But her's came back negative several days later. That was before this new rule though.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:23 pm to OKtiger
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:24 pm to jose
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To my knowledge, no. They were just writing tons of it.
That is a major issue that needs to be addressed by the board. Those MDs need to answer for that.
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I wrote it for one lady before her test came back only because she looked sick as shite. But her's came back negative several days later. That was before this new rule though.
Nothing wrong with this at all. I agree completely with this method. You won't get them all right, but giving someone who likely has COVID a shot at beating it early is great.
It's the abuse of the position by other MDs by writing massive amounts of scripts for family members who do not need it that pisses me off.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:26 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Surely we can come up with something way more expensive.
First you pay your contributors to do studies.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:27 pm to TigersSEC2010
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It's the abuse of the position by other MDs by writing massive amounts of scripts for family members who do not need it that pisses me off.
Agree.
What got me so mad, was that after this new rule came out about not writing unless you have a positive test, is that there had been reports that the test had several false negatives. So there were probably a bunch of people who had it but couldn't get the medicine.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:29 pm to OKtiger
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it's inexpensive and easy to make
Found the problem. This is the U$A. Big pharma will need to roll out a name-brand version that costs $10,000 a dose before FDA will approve anything.
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